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04 Feb 2008 Mon 10:45 am |
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Those who symphatize with ladies running after their rights to wear turban as an expression of their personal freedom, should know the difference between "freedom of women" as we understand today, and "freedom of women" as understood among the Arabs around the time of Prophet Muhammad, to fully appreciate that ladies are - once again - being used.
In Arab society, around the time of Muhammad, there were two kinds of women,
1. The slave women (cariye), with no marriage ties to any man, who dressed very freely and considered to be of easy virtue,
2. Married women, officially registered as one man's domain, hence considered to be of higher and more respectable virtue and social standing compared to the former.
To differentiate between the two groups and avoid the harrasment (by others) for (2), the married women were required to cover themselves when they left the safety and privacy of their own homes. The message was that these ladies were in the private domain of a certain gentleman and that they were not available to others. In a sense, the hijab or whatever signified that these women were not slaves. That they were free (!).
The women in group (1) had no right to cover themselves, in a way that could mislead others to believe that they belonged to group (2). They were not free.
This was what being a FREE WOMAN was about 1400 years ago.
Are moslem ladies of today after the same kind of freedom? I think they are being manipulated.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 12:20 pm |
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some of women feel theirself more free by wearing mini skirt and some of em feel theirself more free when cover their bodies,which one of us have any right for judging their freedom perspective unless this diversities doesn't forced each other for to be look like theirself.Theres never place for doubles standarts in real democracy or secular system...i think we have to be more interested in with personalites then their life stylies or perspectives ,so a real democracy's mission to keep all diversities side by side with the mental,rational,objective ,legal rules for creat more peacfull and tolerated societies,namely democracy is never a toy any social,ethnical,religional,or benefit groups...
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 12:40 pm |
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I dont care what part of their bodies they want to cover...so long as they do not think that is what freedom is.
This is a man's game !
It was in Prophet's time...It is now!
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 01:08 pm |
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Hehehehe it is strange when your politics means that you suddenly have to become an advocate of women's rights Alpha!  
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 01:10 pm |
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Such is fate....I hope no one in my Harem is reading this crap !
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 01:14 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Such is fate....I hope no one in my Harem is reading this crap ! |
No no, please continue. You could become our LEADER pdr  . Our advocate of the TC Women's Rights movement
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 01:15 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I dont care what part of their bodies they want to cover...so long as they do not think that is what freedom is.
This is a man's game !
It was in Prophet's time...It is now! |
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 01:17 pm |
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could be....so what?
No wonder you guys are called extremists !
Can you not imagine some kind of rational attire for ladies, somewhere between mini skirts and hijab?
I dont mind having an occassional extremist, jumping up and down in protest and running around the place with strange aspirations...but we should not model the society after extremists, for God's sake !
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 01:22 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: then what about the models they sale their bodies for advertising fashion things,isn't it a game of men to?? |
This has nothing to do with the subject. Men are fashion models too. Both make a nice amount of money from it, and it is THEIR choice to do so
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:21 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting MrX67: then what about the models they sale their bodies for advertising fashion things,isn't it a game of men to?? |
This has nothing to do with the subject. Men are fashion models too. Both make a nice amount of money from it, and it is THEIR choice to do so |
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:28 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting MrX67: then what about the models they sale their bodies for advertising fashion things,isn't it a game of men to?? |
This has nothing to do with the subject. Men are fashion models too. Both make a nice amount of money from it, and it is THEIR choice to do so |
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Sorry I don't really understand you MrX67. You were talking about fashion and advertising models. There are men and women in this industry, and they are mostly fully clothed when working (I don't know about Turkey though - judging by your newspapers, I would guess Turkey prefers semi-naked women in their advertisements...)
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:31 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting MrX67: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting MrX67: then what about the models they sale their bodies for advertising fashion things,isn't it a game of men to?? |
This has nothing to do with the subject. Men are fashion models too. Both make a nice amount of money from it, and it is THEIR choice to do so |
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Sorry I don't really understand you MrX67. You were talking about fashion and advertising models. There are men and women in this industry, and they are mostly fully clothed when working (I don't know about Turkey though - judging by your newspapers, I would guess Turkey prefers semi-naked women in their advertisements...) |
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:51 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: could be....so what?
No wonder you guys are called extremists !
Can you not imagine some kind of rational attire for ladies, somewhere between mini skirts and hijab?
I dont mind having an occassional extremist, jumping up and down in protest and running around the place with strange aspirations...but we should not model the society after extremists, for God's sake ! |
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:53 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: No wonder you guys are called extremists !
Can you not imagine some kind of rational attire for ladies, somewhere between mini skirts and hijab?
I dont mind having an occassional extremist, jumping up and down in protest and running around the place with strange aspirations...but we should not model the society after extremists, for God's sake ! |
+1000000 I am happy to agree with you pdr 
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:03 pm |
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Thank you partner.
We shall eventually get him to say what is really on his mind....rather than mumbling about "perfect democracy an freedom".
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:05 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Thank you partner.
We shall eventually get him to say what is really on his mind....rather than mumbling about "perfect democracy an freedom". |
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:14 pm |
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The longer I live on this planet, the more I believe that "democracy" is just a dream. Perhaps communism was the best way. Everybody dress the same, have the same, do the same - no room for extremist !!!
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:18 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting AlphaF: Thank you partner.
We shall eventually get him to say what is really on his mind....rather than mumbling about "perfect democracy an freedom". |
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Well done, peanut....If this is all you can say, I shall not bother with you any longer !
Turkce soyle, varsa soylemeye degecek bir sozun...
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 03:27 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting MrX67: Quoting AlphaF: Thank you partner.
We shall eventually get him to say what is really on his mind....rather than mumbling about "perfect democracy an freedom". |
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Well done, peanut....If this is all you can say, I shall not bother with you any longer ! |
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 07:24 pm |
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Come, poor Yunus, come,
hold the hands of the mature.
In their humility is a cure
...And i think the best answers on Yunus's this lines for people who look like you >>>www.poetry-chaikhana.com/E/EmreYunus/Knowledgesho.htm
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 04:19 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: could be....so what?
No wonder you guys are called extremists !
Can you not imagine some kind of rational attire for ladies, somewhere between mini skirts and hijab?
I dont mind having an occassional extremist, jumping up and down in protest and running around the place with strange aspirations...but we should not model the society after extremists, for God's sake ! |
Of course anyone can imagin whatever he wants,and do what ever he wants ,or she
Thats why it called FREEdom!
Anyway,as long as you were refering to arab old days,i want to point at something you've missed it
Arab women were not submissive to their men.
Remind you,who had killed Rasul's SAV uncle 'Hamza'?and how ?
So i believe that was beyond submissive behaviour
And beside,its bad excuse to take away people's freedom of wearing what they want,dont you think?!
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 04:37 am |
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Quoting Cacık: Perhaps communism was the best way. Everybody dress the same, have the same, do the same |
That would be boring...
Beside how would we survive in TC with such lack of resources ?lol 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 01:12 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting Cacık: Perhaps communism was the best way. Everybody dress the same, have the same, do the same |
That would be boring...
Beside how would we survive in TC with such lack of resources ?lol |
canli, you are living in communism.
but your system is called islamic totalitarism.
you probably didnt come to it.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 01:28 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: This site is for Turkish learners |
Why are you here then? 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 01:36 pm |
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to help people who need translation etc...
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 01:37 pm |
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oki doki
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 02:00 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting CANLI: Quoting Cacık: Perhaps communism was the best way. Everybody dress the same, have the same, do the same |
That would be boring...
Beside how would we survive in TC with such lack of resources ?lol |
canli, you are living in communism.
but your system is called islamic totalitarism.
you probably didnt come to it. |
You mean totalitarian
Anyway,Thx for informing me,i didnt know it
As i see,you STİLL in 'i know everything'mood
hmmm,What do they say about such people ?!
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 02:05 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting CANLI: Quoting Cacık: Perhaps communism was the best way. Everybody dress the same, have the same, do the same |
That would be boring...
Beside how would we survive in TC with such lack of resources ?lol |
canli, you are living in communism.
but your system is called islamic totalitarism.
you probably didnt come to it. |
You mean totalitarian
Anyway,Thx for informing me,i didnt know it
As i see,you STİLL in 'i know everything'mood
hmmm,What do they say about such people ?! |
i never stated I KNOW EVERYTHING.
and i never boast about my HIGH EDUCATION unlike some
what can i do if i know things and you dont?
watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhnPodKcUhw
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 02:19 pm |
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freedom to all women and stop all female utilizes!!!>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea-jODjAqrw
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 02:32 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting CANLI: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting CANLI: Quoting Cacık: Perhaps communism was the best way. Everybody dress the same, have the same, do the same |
That would be boring...
Beside how would we survive in TC with such lack of resources ?lol |
canli, you are living in communism.
but your system is called islamic totalitarism.
you probably didnt come to it. |
You mean totalitarian
Anyway,Thx for informing me,i didnt know it
As i see,you STİLL in 'i know everything'mood
hmmm,What do they say about such people ?! |
i never stated I KNOW EVERYTHING.
and i never boast about my HIGH EDUCATION unlike some
what can i do if i know things and you dont?
watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhnPodKcUhw |
and i never boast about my high education as well,saying that we are not living in tents,and ride camels,and we are educated,not boasting,but stating facts.
İ just wonder what are you doing now ?
İ mean this thread about turban,and we were discussing it
You are off topic,but as i see you are IN your usual topic .
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 02:38 pm |
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and i think this squares not only from Turkey or from any Muslim country,thats the common words of all world women???>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CAGNwkwICw
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 03:07 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting CANLI: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting CANLI: Quoting Cacık: Perhaps communism was the best way. Everybody dress the same, have the same, do the same |
That would be boring...
Beside how would we survive in TC with such lack of resources ?lol |
canli, you are living in communism.
but your system is called islamic totalitarism.
you probably didnt come to it. |
You mean totalitarian
Anyway,Thx for informing me,i didnt know it
As i see,you STİLL in 'i know everything'mood
hmmm,What do they say about such people ?! |
i never stated I KNOW EVERYTHING.
and i never boast about my HIGH EDUCATION unlike some
what can i do if i know things and you dont?
watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhnPodKcUhw |
and i never boast about my high education as well,saying that we are not living in tents,and ride camels,and we are educated,not boasting,but stating facts.
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well, you once boasted about your high education, when vineyards mentioned that you know nothing about ataturk. and he was right!
btw, you even dont know the difference between seljuk and ottoman turks
you are not living in tents?
THANK brits!
they have built educational system bedfore they left, which you almost detroyed.
Quoting CANLI:
İ just wonder what are you doing now ?
İ mean this thread about turban,and we were discussing it
You are off topic,but as i see you are IN your usual topic . |
im debating with you. dont you know?
im criticising and you are defending your barbaric values
suddenly you care for offtopic?
if i praise egypt, you wouldnt mind its offtopic
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 04:54 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
Quoting CANLI:
İ just wonder what are you doing now ?
İ mean this thread about turban,and we were discussing it
You are off topic,but as i see you are IN your usual topic . |
im debating with you. dont you know?
im criticising and you are defending your barbaric values
suddenly you care for offtopic?
if i praise egypt, you wouldnt mind its offtopic |
Actually you are not DEBATİNG with me,you are taking it to personal attack
İts not about me or Egypt here,but as usual since im Muslim and Eastern,so im in YOUR favorite topic to criticise it as much as you can.
And actually im not defending it or anything,because frankly i dont care what you think..
İ would have cared if i know you really care to know or you want to know us better,but since your motives is your hate toword us...so
İ dont care !
And btw,im not waiting you or anyone to PRAİSE Egypt,because,well,actually it will not make any difference if you did,or if you didnt
We are GREAT NATİON with our long GREAT HİSTORY,so like it or not,thats who we are !
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 05:11 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
We are GREAT NATİON with our long GREAT HİSTORY,so like it or not,thats who we are !
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this doesnt belong to you arabs from deserts but to copts whom you barely find in egypt now thanks to islam.
imagine arabs building piramides
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 05:30 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting CANLI:
We are GREAT NATİON with our long GREAT HİSTORY,so like it or not,thats who we are !
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this doesnt belong to you arabs from deserts but to copts whom you barely find in egypt now thanks to islam.
imagine arabs building piramides |
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_27012_12
i wont waste my time with you,get some knowledge,show some respect,then MAYBE we would have something to talk about!
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 05:43 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting CANLI:
We are GREAT NATİON with our long GREAT HİSTORY,so like it or not,thats who we are !
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this doesnt belong to you arabs from deserts but to copts whom you barely find in egypt now thanks to islam.
imagine arabs building piramides |
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_27012_12
i wont waste my time with you,get some knowledge,show some respect,then MAYBE we would have something to talk about! |
canli, you have no knowledge to debate with me.
in whatever topic you come out you will lose.
you have already shown your great knowledge in history and geography.
why am i wasting my time on you, someone who doesnt discuss but get always offended with whatever i say, someone who always demands a respect? 
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 10:41 am |
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Quoting Cacık: The longer I live on this planet, the more I believe that "democracy" is just a dream. Perhaps communism was the best way. Everybody dress the same, have the same, do the same - no room for extremist !!! |
Communism? I've done that and really, you have no idea what you're wishing for. Democracy is definitely not the best system, but there's nothing invented so far that would be better. Besides, democracy is not about extremists, they are marginal, what's in abundance is people free to exercise their right to believe whatever they want or wear whatever they want. Sure, absolute freedom cannot exist as I'm sure most of us wouldn't like to walk the streets and look at nudists or people having sex in public. However, what I'm sure most of us would like to see is people who are not decided for, who are not battered for speaking for themselves, people who can worship The Green Gook without being told they're wrong and who don't try to convince the world through terror that theirs is the just way.
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 11:34 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting Cacık: The longer I live on this planet, the more I believe that 'democracy' is just a dream. Perhaps communism was the best way. Everybody dress the same, have the same, do the same - no room for extremist !!! |
Communism? I've done that and really, you have no idea what you're wishing for. Democracy is definitely not the best system, but there's nothing invented so far that would be better. Besides, democracy is not about extremists, they are marginal, what's in abundance is people free to exercise they right to believe whatever they want or wear whatever they want. Sure, absolute freedom cannot exist as I'm sure most of us wouldn't like to walk the streets and look at nudists or people having sex in public. However, what I'm sure most of us would like to see is people who are not decided for, who are not battered for speaking for themselves, people who can worship The Green Gook without being told they're wrong and who don't try to convince the world through terror that theirs is the just way. |
you reminded me of a wonderful quote...
'The difference between democracy and dictatorships is that in democracy first you vote then you take orders..in dictatorships you dont have to waste your time to vote'
Partly true
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 12:01 pm |
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Quoting ciko:
you reminded me of a wonderful quote...
'The difference between democracy and dictatorships is that in democracy first you vote then you take orders..in dictatorships you dont have to waste your time to vote'
Partly true |
Absolutely So, is there any hope for this world?
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 12:14 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting ciko:
you reminded me of a wonderful quote...
'The difference between democracy and dictatorships is that in democracy first you vote then you take orders..in dictatorships you dont have to waste your time to vote'
Partly true |
Absolutely So, is there any hope for this world? |
no hope as long as human exists!
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 02:19 pm |
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Quoting ciko: you reminded me of a wonderful quote...
'The difference between democracy and dictatorships is that in democracy first you vote then you take orders..in dictatorships you dont have to waste your time to vote'
Partly true |
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 02:53 pm |
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Quoting ciko: no hope as long as human exists! |
+1..........
It's such a shame that we haven't descended from bonobos, we'd be the lovliest monkeys that ever dominated the earth... but in the current situation ciko is right 
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 03:29 pm |
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Fortunately, there's Google graphic...bonobos? Kitty, it is human anatomy you're studying night and day, not a veterinary book, is it?
Personally, I have nothing against being a species doomed to extinction. I've had my moments!
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 03:46 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Fortunately, there's Google graphic...bonobos? Kitty, it is human anatomy you're studying night and day, not a veterinary book, is it?
Personally, I have nothing against being a species doomed to extinction. I've had my moments! |
It sounds like you are already "doing your bit" to prevent our demise
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 04:34 pm |
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Save expressions of gratitude for now...you never know what future holds - have you seen Rosemary's Baby? 
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 06:31 pm |
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"political-religious discussions and sympathising with terrorist organizations are strictly forbidden"
go on...
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 06:37 pm |
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Don't you have anything else to say adonis or can we just count on you to be the "poster-of-the-rules"?
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 06:56 pm |
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i don't wanna see the discussions of Turban in this site. that's enough!
as you are feminist, Turban is not related to Turkish Republic and Islam and of course Kemalist fundamentals. Turban is an illogical belief and can't be identified as an individual freedom. It is also exploited by the USA supported Islamic politicians to abuse the religious Turkish people in Tukey.
don't u got it? if u got, why are u still going on emphasizing this issue? why don't you look at the creditable sources to gain real information about Turkish culture and islam?
that's a question, and you can't answer my question. go on ladies... making political-religious discussions is free for u, isn't it?
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 06:58 pm |
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Quoting adonis: i don't wanna see the discussions of Turban in this site. that's enough! |
Then I suggest you find a new website to visit
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:00 pm |
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+ 100000000000000000000000000000000 Adonis and I have repented.
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:06 pm |
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Quote: Quoting adonis:
don't u got it? |
Uhhh nope...still the same as yesterday...I don't "got it"!
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Quoting adonis:
if u got, why are u still going on emphasizing this issue? why don't you look at the creditable sources to gain real information about Turkish culture and islam?
that's a question, and you can't answer my question. go on ladies... making political-religious discussions is free for u, isn't it?
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Ohhh I am soooo confused! You tell us to stop, then say "go on ladies". What is a girl to do? :-S
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:07 pm |
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Quoting adonis: i don't wanna see the discussions of Turban in this site. that's enough!
as you are feminist, Turban is not related to Turkish Republic and Islam and of course Kemalist fundamentals. Turban is an illogical belief and can't be identified as an individual freedom. It is also exploited by the USA supported Islamic politicians to abuse the religious Turkish people in Tukey.
don't u got it? if u got, why are u still going on emphasizing this issue? why don't you look at the creditable sources to gain real information about Turkish culture and islam?
that's a question, and you can't answer my question. go on ladies... making political-religious discussions is free for u, isn't it? |
Sorry adonis,
Ama..
I am a TURK.
And I love discussing my country's problems with the people who cares about my country.
THEY ARE FRIENDS..
What is the problem?
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:40 pm |
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Quote:
Sorry adonis,
Ama..
I am a TURK.
And I love discussing my country's problems with the people who cares about my country.
THEY ARE FRIENDS..
What is the problem?
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Of course, THEY ARE FRIENDS, MAYBE MY CLOSEST FRIENDS till they write polemical, insulting and illogical entries without making any inquisitions of a subject relating to Turkey's internal affairs. if they do it, i automatically make reaction to these entries, because I'm Turk and i wanna help the foreign people to learn Turkish culture based on creditable sources and information, if they really wanna learn anything about these subjects without hiding in the umbrella of Feminism. I'm sorry, i can't allow them to interfere our internal affairs. I have to protect my country's values...
look at Mrs Roswitha now. she gives up copying and pasting the absurd and non-realistic articles from Turkish Daily News. why? because, she has realized her fault and gives up doing it. I'm appreciating and thanking her very much. this is a correct and logical behavior. but where are the other ladiez?
that's a question...
by the way, the name of this site is Turkish Class, but where are u?
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:47 pm |
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Quoting adonis: by the way, the name of this site is Turkish Class, but where are u? |
Yes this is Turkish Class. Do you need to learn Turkish? Or....is there some other reason you call yourself "adonis" and post nice pictures of yourself?
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:49 pm |
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Quoting adonis:
I'm sorry, i can't allow them to interfere our internal affairs. I have to protect my country's values...
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Gosh...I don't know how I can make this any clearer to you....it is not up to you to ALLOW us to do anything. Your controlling nature seems to make it difficult for you to understand this concept.
You take yourself FAR too seriously adonis.
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:50 pm |
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Quote: Quote:
Sorry adonis,
Ama..
I am a TURK.
And I love discussing my country's problems with the people who cares about my country.
THEY ARE FRIENDS..
What is the problem?
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I have to protect my country's values...
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protect your values? you do nothing more than embarassing your country
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:51 pm |
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Quoting ciko:
protect your values? you do nothing more than embarassing your country |
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:54 pm |
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Yes this is Turkish Class. Do you need to learn Turkish? Or....is there some other reason you call yourself "adonis" and post nice pictures of yourself? |
I'm here to improve my English-Turkish translation in a short and quicker way, and help the foreign people to learn my language.
yes, those pics are mine and they imply that I trust myself. If u haven't got any nice pics, it's your problem, not mine...
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:54 pm |
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Quoting adonis:
look at Mrs Roswitha now. she gives up copying and pasting the absurd and non-realistic articles from Turkish Daily News. why? because, she has realized her fault and gives up doing it. I'm appreciating and thanking her very much. this is a correct and logical behavior. but where are the other ladiez?
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OMG this sounds like a speech of a communist party member
OMG the brainwashing has the same techniques and results in an every backward system!
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:57 pm |
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Sorry adonis,
Ama..
I am a TURK.
And I love discussing my country's problems with the people who cares about my country.
THEY ARE FRIENDS..
What is the problem?
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Of course, THEY ARE FRIENDS, MAYBE MY CLOSEST FRIENDS till they write polemical, insulting and illogical entries without making any inquisitions of a subject relating to Turkey's internal affairs. if they do it, i automatically make reaction to these entries, because I'm Turk and i wanna help the foreign people to learn Turkish culture based on creditable sources and information, if they really wanna learn anything about these subjects without hiding in the umbrella of Feminism. I'm sorry, i can't allow them to interfere our internal affairs. I have to protect my country's values...
look at Mrs Roswitha now. she give up copying and pasting the absurd and non-realistic articles from Turkish Daily News. why? because, she has realized her fault and give up doing it. I'm appreciating and thanking her very much. this is a correct and logical behavior. but where are the other ladiez?
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I still dont understand what you mean by Turkey's internal affairs.
We live in a world that everybody knows everything (thanks to partly internet).
I know how british prime minister Tony Blair looked like a lap dog for G Bush for example and I can SAY IT. And nobody from british people will come back to me saying that 'oh no..you dont have right to say like that'. I go and I try to put G Bush into gutter for example, nobody tells me I am messing with the internal affairs of USA.
This is 'a right' for me..And I am using it.
As I said..I am a Turk..I would defend my country if and when necessary because I know my country very well. But I am not going to say to anybody that 'YOU DONT HAVE RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE TOPICS RELATED TO TURKEY'S INTERNAL AFFAIRS' as if I am afraid of talking my country's problems. I AM NOT.
I think you have been listening many comments coming from the army such as 'our external enemies interfering with the Turkey' Or Our politicians blaming internal and external enemies for everything.
Well you can listen to them..I have no objections..
But believing them by heart is somehow not right.
I am repeating again..I am sure most of the people here are friends of Turkey. You dont need to worry.
You are not between enemies.
As far as mrs roswitha is concerned, I am hoping what you wrote is not true.
So calm down..let people speak..
We have nothing to hide from anybody.
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 08:15 pm |
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Quoting adonis: i don't wanna see the discussions of Turban in this site. that's enough!
as you are feminist, Turban is not related to Turkish Republic and Islam and of course Kemalist fundamentals. Turban is an illogical belief and can't be identified as an individual freedom. It is also exploited by the USA supported Islamic politicians to abuse the religious Turkish people in Tukey.
don't u got it? if u got, why are u still going on emphasizing this issue? why don't you look at the creditable sources to gain real information about Turkish culture and islam?
that's a question, and you can't answer my question. go on ladies... making political-religious discussions is free for u, isn't it? |
İts not about what you want adonis
İ want the world to be in peace,i want people to have better understanding of each others,i want...i want...
But things not happening always the way i want,yes?!
So,you cant stop people actually from talking and saying whatever they want,or believe what they want too
Better to hear it,and to know about it rather to close your ears pretending they dont say anything,yes ?!
And if you want,you can correct their view,or offer them another point of view,discuss it
and if you dont care,then...
Let them believe what they want,it wont make any difference to you anyway.
But SURELY,you cant stop people of talking!
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 08:25 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
İts not about what you want adonis
İ want the world to be in peace,i want people to have better understanding of each others,i want...i want...
But things not happening always the way i want,yes?!
So,you cant stop people actually from talking and saying whatever they want,or believe what they want too
Better to hear it,and to know about it rather to close your ears pretending they dont say anything,yes ?!
And if you want,you can correct their view,or offer them another point of view,discuss it
and if you dont care,then...
Let them believe what they want,it wont make any difference to you anyway.
But SURELY,you cant stop people of talking! |
finally!
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 08:47 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
finally! |
Agreeying with me ?!
You cant really do that,its against your principles. 
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 08:57 pm |
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