This only goes to prove my point that objections are not about what is said, but WHO is saying it.  Both Alameda and Canli are the biggest objectors to "insults" and yet when the insults come from a different direction (maybe towards those who they object to) then they find it perfectly acceptable.

It works exactly the same way in the other direction too - with other mods finding posts acceptable if they are posted by "allies".

The interesting thing is that I am frequently called a hypocrite for one moment agreeing with a person and then the next, disagreeing - how DARE I suddenly agree with Canli on a post, or Libralady or Alameda?!!!   Perhaps that is because I respond to the POST not the person?  I am no angel, but you people sure do take the biscuit

A couple of things to say here - firstly Alameda why did you find it necessary to copy cynic´s post in it´s entirety when you had given us the link?

Secondly - informative and helpful as cynic may have been on the one hand, he was also crude and rude in the extreme on the other and in addition caused quite a bit of disruption and upset across the site that wasn´t seen in the forums.  He has also  ´allegedly´ previously been banned from at least two other internet sites - so being deleted from TC probably won´t have come as too much of a shock for him.    

 ....because the link only took you to the page where a page of  messages were, not a specific post. I put the whole post here because it was a very good well thought out post that I thought warranted reading.  It was the result of original thought, not a cut and paste job.

Yes, I watched his frustration grow and the tenor of his posts change. As for disruption and upset across the site.....when people are provoked they react in different ways.

 I really don´t think you, or many of the Europeans who moderate here have a very good understanding of "Eastern" mentality.  In fact, it´s interesting to see all the mods, with the exeption of the language forum,  are female, and with the exception of Canli European. Why is that? With all the talk of liberation and equality, where are the male moderators?  What happened to vineyards, keithl?

He was generous with his time in the Turkish Classes section and went way above and beyond in that area.

 I think most people would be capable of working out which post your link referred to.

I haven´t noticed other people who feel provoked on the site deliberately stirring up trouble between members behind the scenes.

I am not sure that most educated big-city Turks (which covers most of the frequent posters on the site I think) do have exactly the same mentality as other ´Easterners´ - and neither do most of the Turks I have met here.  And how do we know that Cynic wasn´t from Thrace?  - wouldn´t that make him a European?

As for Vineyards and Keith - I can´t remember exactly why Keith left but Vineyards was twice made a moderator and left after disagreement both times.  I believe he was even asked to be an admin but turned it down.  You will notice that Sui Generis is actually a mod in several of the forums - and he is a Turkish man.

 +1000000000000

 According to Femme....he is THE turkish man!!

 Nope! I just got a PM from THE Turkish man:

hello how are you my name h**** from turkey me 33 years older singel male never been marrýed l realy lýke your picture so much l realy want meet wýth you pls add me ýf you want meet wýth me ******@hotmail.com

I assume I´m the only one who received this ´love letter´? Eh?

Sorry to dissappoint but I have the same one twice - I just reminded him of that! 

 If he had said he was very rich and hairy then I might have added him...........  but as it stands .......

 Again I´m not THE ONLY ONE!  Turkish men always make me cry!

 Me too!  I would be nice to be the only one, but does not always work like that   They think they are like our favourite toy and we don´t mind sharing

OMG why was this NOT DELETED immediately! ......