What exactly is "real sharing"? How many Turkish towns are we talking about?

They mean real time intelligence..not after the fact or days later..I'm glad to see "common sense" is being used..

just to be honest with yourself... Ask:
Why International Reporters not allowed to have knowledge about what is going on? Is there any weapons used uopn the civil people and the animals that non of America, Turkish Army or the fat Kuridish Authority in the north of Iraq don't want the world to know about them?? Why all done in secret and with a business deal among those sides???

Soon all the lies will be uncovered... This situation is not related to PKK but to what is going to Iraq. If some still dreaming in their dark ages for getting control in clothes of new empire your dreaming will be a mere lie and they know very soon. Those can't remove any nation on this earth... For those: you can sleep and dream for a long time, but remember it is just a short day dreaming and up to you to lie to the international community or stop that crazy...

Unfortunately liars will know later when they forgot what they lie about... Just blood sucker, just coward in their beds

Well said Serdaro...
Time to show courage now...terrorist bullshit is over.
PKK will have to pay the bill !

I think it is a time to remind again..
This is turkey's (i lost the count)-may be- 25th ground operation in northern iraq.
Each operation started with the same objective and with the same promise.

It is time to wake up!!

A serious point from Turkish press today (by Fikret Bila).


fikret bila bugunku yazisinda harekatin psikoloijik boyutlarini( ki bence askeri sonuctan daha onemli) soyle siralamis :

1- Turkiye'nin sinir otesi kara harekati yapamayacagi, yaparsa Barzani yonetimi ve pesmergelerin buna engel olabilecekleri propagandasinin bos oldugu ortaya cikti.
2- Turk Silahli Kuvvetleri'nin boyle bir harekati kis kosullarinda da yapabilecek donanim, deneyim ve kabiliyette oldugu gosterildi.
3- Turk Silahli Kuvvetleri'nin operasyon zamanini doga kosullari ve PKK'nin kabul edecegi yer ve zamanda kabul etmek zorunda olmadigi, inisiyatifin her kosulda TSK'da olduğu anlasildi.
4- PKK'nin hava operasyonlari sonrasinda, yeniden kamplarina donebilecekleri ve ayni rahatlikla eylemlerde bulunacagi beklentisi kirilmis oldu.
5- PKK'nin, ABD'ye guvenmesinin ve bu guvenle hesap yapmasinin yanlis oldugu goruldu.
6- Hava operasyonlarindan sonra gerceklestirilen kara harekati, TSK'nin gelecekte de bu tur operasyonlar yapabilecegini, PKK icin artik Kuzey Irak'in istedigi gibi kullanacaklari guvenli bir yer olmadigi mesajini da vermis oldu.

TRANSLATION

Today Fikret Bila (known reporter) summarsed the phsycholgical myths destroyed by the current operation, as more significant than a military victory. Here are his points:

1. That Turkia could not undertake a military land operation to PKK bases in Iraq, and if she does Barzani's Peshmerge could stop them is shown to be complete bulshit.
2. It has been shown that Turkish Army can and will carry out similar operations even in severest winter conditions.
3. It has been shown that a PKK confrontation with the Turkish Army is not controlled by external conditions nor has to happen at places dictated by PKK.
4. PKK hopes that there will be a quick return to the old camps and resume activities, when air raids are over, is seriously crippled.
5. It has been shown that the PKK trust in USA was not very smart and that PKK actions based on this trust were only poor judgement and miscalculation.
6. Current operation is a clear message to PKK, that Northern Iraq will henceforth be too hot to house terrorists of any kind.

I wish peace could have prevailed !

tens of operations held...what did they serve? nothing... what will this operation bring? nothing...just more blood and more young people sent back home in coffins...wake up turkey! a dirty plan again. USA wouldnt share one word of intelligency information unless turkey serves 10 political or strategic interests of them..

I propose a new worldwide strategy. For each conflict, there should be a soundproofed cell containing a round table, the required number of seats and manacles and shackles. Players from both sides are chained to their seats, only one person may speak at any one time and the sides must take it in turns to speak. Nobody is released until an agreement is reached.

I know this is no laughing matter but, in the case of Turkey, what positive has been gained from violence?

it s already turned into a dirty psychological cold media war! both sides claiming they killed tens...tc army claims they killed 79 terrorists, pkk claiming to have killed 44 soldiers plus a cobra helicopter... army announced its loss to be 7, pkk announced theirs to be 2... i guess one must ask mothers how many were really killed. they would give the correct answer.

BBC news

I sincerely believe that some big players in Turkish politics DO NOT want this war to end. If they do, the people will start questioning the power they are hanging on.
That is why this stupid war is still going on and we are still losing all those young boys for nothing..

No one in Turkia would even hang his old hat on any kind of USA intelligence. Dont worry about it !

This operation will be over, before you can finish summing the scores on your scoreboards.

Gates: Turkey raid won't solve problems

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080224/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gates

I agree with almost everything you say here. But I don't think that relaxing on PKK will make the kurds any less determined for a state of their own. And if Turkey stops its fight against the PKK now, all the thousands of lives lost will be in vain. Its sad, but no country has been created or defended without bloodshed. A grim fact of life...

Reuters

It is useless to tell some peanuts here that the fight is not between Kurds and Turks.

It is between Turkia and PKK, the latter a terrorist organisation. It would not have made any difference for Turkia, if the terrorists were of Turkish ethnic origin.

Ah ah..
memleketim, memleketim!!
I, sometimes really wonder if aziz nesin was telling the truth when he said 'Turks are not very intelligent'.
I guess, he was right upto a certain degree, if he was not right 100%!!!
Sometimes, i really become pessimistic..
How come we never learn from our mistakes?
How come we can be this blood thirsty?
How come, as a whole nation, we switch from the truth so easily. With just an operation!
Phew!!!

if the operation had done at least 10 years ago, it would have been more useful for the Turkish boundaries in southeast region, cuz about 10-15 years ago PKK was in chaos and their leader Apo was captured and Turkish Army should have used this disadvantageus situations of PKK at that time.

so i think that there is a strategic mistake in the problem of PKK. Turkish Army must move independently and not wait the assistance of USA.