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Iraq urges Turkey withdrawal
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 02:52 pm |
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peace train,
What is this Polly shit?
Be serious and polite, if you want decent replies...or get lost !
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 02:53 pm |
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The word "solution" would give the idea a problem will be solved. I think the phrase "course of action" may be a better alternative.
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating, only then can the judgement regarding "solution" be made.
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 02:54 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting AlphaF: Stop and think Canli..I mean no offense !
With all respect, can you say Iraq is a normal country nowadays?
The only reason we have these problems today lies in the answer to this question. |
Read my post again AlphaF,
Quoting CANLI:
But here we are not talking about normal stiuations nor normal country...
İm afraid that is such an ugly game,and even in normal stiuations ,i would NEVER accept what you said,but in this case...
İ believe yes,if Türkiye didnt protects her borders,she will be sorry about it !
Sad but true 
And also,you are right,if USA approved on this military operation,then USA government in İraq approves too
İts just an ugly game,in an ugly stiuation,and Türkiye has choosen the ugly solution that she can only have ! |
And i know if you allow this to work throw normal channels,you will be sorry about it,and even will have more problems too
So actually,i cant blame Türkiye,she must protect herself from the expected and unexpected too !
But i also cant accept it...
What to do ?
Bilmiyorum!
İts dilemma |
Keep cool... I shall be personally and sincerely ashamed, if Turkia does not keep her promises.
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 03:00 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: What is this Polly shit?
Be serious and polite, if you want decent replies...or get lost ! |
I have been both decent and polite my dear Alpha. I obviously misjudged your tone when you referred to me as a missionary  Polly is short for politician . . . I thought you would appreciate that. What can I say . . .I was wrong . . .
btw Try not to use ugly words . . . they don't go too well with peace keeping strategies.
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 03:03 pm |
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War is hell Alpha,you cant actually make any promises !
Anyway,i wish peace for both Türkiye and İraq...and i also know peace comes with high price...not by promises and friendly words .
İ have no hard feeling towards Türkiye's reaction,but i also worry about İraq !
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 03:31 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: War is hell Alpha,you cant actually make any promises !
Anyway,i wish peace for both Türkiye and İraq...and i also know peace comes with high price...not by promises and friendly words .
İ have no hard feeling towards Türkiye's reaction,but i also worry about İraq ! |
yes Canlı, War is hell. in hour religion and culture it s forbidden. but for defending country it s a holy fight. Whole turkey worry about iraq. and we worried about ppl who tortured wildly by US and english soldiars, all turkey protested and condemned them. but those ppl who responsible to govern iraq was silent, they couldnt explain any thing about Abu-Garip. before this, all turkish ppl protested USA in iraq war and our Assembly didnt allow US army to use turkey lands in war.
you still dont understand one thing. that s why we argue. We are not fighting against innocent ppl!!! we are we are figthing against ppl who kill even babies.
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 03:37 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: War is hell Alpha,you cant actually make any promises !
Anyway,i wish peace for both Türkiye and İraq...and i also know peace comes with high price...not by promises and friendly words .
İ have no hard feeling towards Türkiye's reaction,but i also worry about İraq ! |
I agree with much of what you say Canli, except the notion that peace can't come with promises. Promises may not be the only solution to a problem but they can be part of a solution "package".
At present the "high price" is death of pawns in a game of chess. I am sorry to use this analogy, I don't wish to make light of such a serious situation. But I think the "high price" should be some swallowing of pride by the powers that be on either side. A compromise is needed, the question is how to bring about dialogue and mutual trust in promises in order for a solution to be found?
I think it is very difficult for 2 sides to sort such a problem for themselves because there is too much history. A mediator (or mediators) is necessary . . . don't ask me who. But both sides have to want a solution which gives them SOME of what they want, SOME of what they would prefer not to have to agree to, SOME respect.
It is a long road, this road to peace and it won't be easy, however the arena needs to be moved from the "bloody" chessboard where the pawns suffer to a round table where the leaders have to look each other in the eye and "pay the price".
A word of advice to the leaders: try to negotiate without using the word "but".
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 04:03 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting AlphaF: What is this Polly shit?
Be serious and polite, if you want decent replies...or get lost ! |
I have been both decent and polite my dear Alpha. I obviously misjudged your tone when you referred to me as a missionary Polly is short for politician . . . I thought you would appreciate that. What can I say . . .I was wrong . . .
btw Try not to use ugly words . . . they don't go too well with peace keeping strategies. |
POLLY is a feminine name, for god's sake !
I thought my macho reputation was under attack.
You can refer to me as Politician, once every year. I can live with that !
Sorry for the misunderstanding...
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 04:49 pm |
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While people in America are often critical of how we treated losing countries after wars by being so humane so to speak imagine post world war 1 Europe had Wilson's 14 points been given more serious consideration especially points 9-12 which cover the areas of Iraq and Kosovo:
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#9 A readjustment of the frontiers of Italy should be effected along clearly recognizable lines of nationality.
#10 The peoples of Austria-Hungary, whose place among the nations we wish to see safeguarded and assured, should be accorded the freest opportunity to autonomous development.
#11 Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro should be evacuated; occupied territories restored; Serbia accorded free and secure access to the sea; and the relations of the several Balkan states to one another determined by friendly counsel along historically established lines of allegiance and nationality; and international guarantees of the political and economic independence and territorial integrity of the several Balkan states should be entered into.
#12 The Turkish portion of the present Ottoman Empire should be assured a secure sovereignty, but the other nationalities which are now under Turkish rule should be assured an undoubted security of life and an absolutely unmolested opportunity of autonomous development, and the Dardanelles should be permanently opened as a free passage to the ships and commerce of all nations under international guarantees.
Not very far off of what SHOULD have been done, but wasn't.
Woodrow Wilson was a visionary when it came to a just ending to the war but I guess the Europeans thought that this American was too presumtuous to be given any consideration in "European" matters. Then we had to go bail them out of another World War - a product of their "peace". I know Woodrow is saying from somewhere "I told you so!"
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 05:37 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting peace train: Quoting AlphaF: What is this Polly shit?
Be serious and polite, if you want decent replies...or get lost ! |
I have been both decent and polite my dear Alpha. I obviously misjudged your tone when you referred to me as a missionary Polly is short for politician . . . I thought you would appreciate that. What can I say . . .I was wrong . . .
btw Try not to use ugly words . . . they don't go too well with peace keeping strategies. |
POLLY is a feminine name, for god's sake !
I thought my macho reputation was under attack.
You can refer to me as Politician, once every year. I can live with that !
Sorry for the misunderstanding... |
It's ok Politician. Whilst I don't want to make matters worse, I wasn't thinking of Polly in the sense of a female, but I knew someone once who had a Parrot and his name was Polly (the parrot that is). 
See Peace Train run for cover . . .
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25 Feb 2008 Mon 05:45 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: While people in America are often critical of how we treated losing countries after wars by being so humane so to speak imagine post world war 1 Europe had Wilson's 14 points been given more serious consideration especially points 9-12 which cover the areas of Iraq and Kosovo:
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#9 A readjustment of the frontiers of Italy should be effected along clearly recognizable lines of nationality.
#10 The peoples of Austria-Hungary, whose place among the nations we wish to see safeguarded and assured, should be accorded the freest opportunity to autonomous development.
#11 Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro should be evacuated; occupied territories restored; Serbia accorded free and secure access to the sea; and the relations of the several Balkan states to one another determined by friendly counsel along historically established lines of allegiance and nationality; and international guarantees of the political and economic independence and territorial integrity of the several Balkan states should be entered into.
#12 The Turkish portion of the present Ottoman Empire should be assured a secure sovereignty, but the other nationalities which are now under Turkish rule should be assured an undoubted security of life and an absolutely unmolested opportunity of autonomous development, and the Dardanelles should be permanently opened as a free passage to the ships and commerce of all nations under international guarantees.
Not very far off of what SHOULD have been done, but wasn't.
Woodrow Wilson was a visionary when it came to a just ending to the war but I guess the Europeans thought that this American was too presumtuous to be given any consideration in "European" matters. Then we had to go bail them out of another World War - a product of their "peace". I know Woodrow is saying from somewhere "I told you so!" |
Not quite....he is probably very proud that most of his design is being carefully executed !
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