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Singer Bülent Ersoy draws ire over ‘unpatriotic’ remarks
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 05:54 pm |
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changed mind
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:06 pm |
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noone of us near or defending war or blood never,but thats certain to everybody have to know himself or heself limits when making important statement.And pity Bülent Ersoy one of out em...
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:10 pm |
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:12 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: noone of us near or defending war or blood never,but thats certain to everybody have to know himself or heself limits when making important statement.And pity Bülent Ersoy one of out em... |
how can it be wrong to say what she said mrx67?
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:12 pm |
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Quoting Roswitha: what is the purpose of the singers statement. More publicity? |
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:18 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting MrX67: noone of us near or defending war or blood never,but thats certain to everybody have to know himself or heself limits when making important statement.And pity Bülent Ersoy one of out em... |
how can it be wrong to say what she said mrx67? |
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:21 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting Roswitha: what is the purpose of the singers statement. More publicity? |
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What social peace are you talking about here mrx?
Is this 'social peace' agreeing on an unnecessary war and behave collectively like as if it is a normal thing?
Everybody, somehow, sitting in front of the tellies and watching, how many of them we killed today and feeling proud..
Is it the social peace you are talking about?
And everybody is agreeing on that 'nobody is allowed to disagree with them'..
Is it the social peace?
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:21 pm |
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it is a veryyy true and veryy resposible statement!
congratulations b.ersoy...
we need more of similar statements to step further towards peace...
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:23 pm |
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but lynchers would never want to understand what she really tried to express... cos blood is their only food.
and bulent ersoy is a "she"! calling her "he" would be a stupid effort aiming degradation!
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:26 pm |
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we love our Kurdish brothers and sisters,we sharing same faith with em,but thats only struggle with terrorism and all countries have same right for defence itself...And time to be more calm and time to be more responsible and caring..
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:31 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: we love our Kurdish brothers and sisters,we sharing same faith with em,but thats only struggle with terrorism and all countries have same right for defence itself...And time to be more calm and time to be more responsible and caring.. |
Dont you see what is happening?
As long as nobody objects to this so called social peace, people get killed!!
Dont you see that 'YOU not objecting it' is making you partially responsible for each death too!!
Please ya..
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:32 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: we love our Kurdish brothers and sisters,we sharing same faith with em,but thats only struggle with terrorism and all countries have same right for defence itself... |
yesss... we know that, u love kurds who cry out they were actually turks, who dont and never want to speak a word of their mother tongue, who serve the turkish army killing their nationals.. etc... what u feel for kurds is not named "love" in dictionaries...
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:33 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting MrX67: we love our Kurdish brothers and sisters,we sharing same faith with em,but thats only struggle with terrorism and all countries have same right for defence itself...And time to be more calm and time to be more responsible and caring.. |
Dont you see what is happening?
As long as nobody objects to this so called social peace, people get killed!!
Dont you see that 'YOU not objecting it' is making you partially responsible for each death too!!
Please ya.. |
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:37 pm |
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anyway, i guess the thread wasnt specifically about kurds and turks...this discussion wont ever come to an end here...
it was about anti-war sensitivity of b.ersoy which we need immediately...and all turkish people pretty well know she isnt pro-kurdish or "separatist" or anything similar. i think she just spoke humane and was pro-peace... so no need for another "lynch"...
bye
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:37 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: but lynchers would never want to understand what she really tried to express... cos blood is their only food.
and bulent ersoy is a "she"! calling her "he" would be a stupid effort aiming degradation!
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:39 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: Quoting MrX67: we love our Kurdish brothers and sisters,we sharing same faith with em,but thats only struggle with terrorism and all countries have same right for defence itself... |
yesss... we know that, u love kurds who cry out they were actually turks, who dont and never want to speak a word of their mother tongue, who serve the turkish army killing their nationals.. etc... what u feel for kurds is not named "love" in dictionaries... |
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:40 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting kedycan: but lynchers would never want to understand what she really tried to express... cos blood is their only food.
and bulent ersoy is a "she"! calling her "he" would be a stupid effort aiming degradation!
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u telling me that? remember u called her "he" as an intentional effort of degrading and a perfect example of disrespect to people's choices.. 
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 06:41 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting MrX67: we love our Kurdish brothers and sisters,we sharing same faith with em,but thats only struggle with terrorism and all countries have same right for defence itself...And time to be more calm and time to be more responsible and caring.. |
Dont you see what is happening?
As long as nobody objects to this so called social peace, people get killed!!
Dont you see that 'YOU not objecting it' is making you partially responsible for each death too!!
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What is happening there is NOT struggle with terrorism..
If this was the right way to deal with the problems there, there would not be this war..It would have been finished long long time ago..
This is prolonging the war.
As if, somebody does not want to finish this war.
And to me, supporting what is happening there is sharing the guilt/sin of the out coming result.
what is the result going to be: Simply death and blood
(as it was all those years; as it was with all those previous incursions)
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 07:36 pm |
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i generally agree with the sentences of Bülent Ersoy. cuz we have been fighting aganist PKK for about 20-25 years and still not finished it. So, it's very sorrowful to see the coffins of Turkish soldiers.
Bülent tries to say that there is a scenario behind the PKK terrorism and it's supoorted by American imperialism, European imperialism and for the Middle East Project.
if the bastard compardor politicians had acted independently, Turkey could have finished PKK as soon as possible. so, it's very late now...
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 07:37 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: ....u telling me that? remember u called her "he" as an intentional effort of degrading and a perfect example of disrespect to people's choices.. |
In regards to calling Bulent he or she. It's not that simple. In some cases people are born with undefined sexuality. With all the indigestible Hormone Disruptors currently in use we will be seing many more cases like this.
"What Are Hormone Disruptors?
Scientists believe that many synthetic chemicals act as endocrine disruptors, or hormone disruptors, interfering with our bodies' natural hormone systems and causing a wide array of health problems. Hormone disruptors often act by imitating our natural hormones. Our bodies are "fooled" by these toxins, which can bind to the same sites to which natural hormones bind, thereby altering, magnifying or blocking the function of the natural hormones."
Hormone disruptors can cause intersexuality, that is cases where the fetus develops having no determined gender, or both genders in one body.
Most all the time, doctors and society force the persons to choose a gender and implement that choice via hormone treatments and surgery instead of just accepting them as they are.
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 07:52 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
In regards to calling Bulent he or she. It's not that simple. In some cases people are born with undefined sexuality. With all the indigestible Hormone Disruptors currently in use we will be seing many more cases like this.
"What Are Hormone Disruptors?
Scientists believe that many synthetic chemicals act as endocrine disruptors, or hormone disruptors, interfering with our bodies' natural hormone systems and causing a wide array of health problems. Hormone disruptors often act by imitating our natural hormones. Our bodies are "fooled" by these toxins, which can bind to the same sites to which natural hormones bind, thereby altering, magnifying or blocking the function of the natural hormones."
Hormone disruptors can cause intersexuality, that is cases where the fetus develops having no determined gender, or both genders in one body.
Most all the time, doctors and society force the persons to choose a gender and implement that choice via hormone treatments and surgery instead of just accepting them as they are. |
Alameda
You are making me smile here
It reminded me a film: I dont remember the name of it but B ersoy was the leading actor..In the movie, he was a pretty boy and he has this bad 'experience', inflicted by this huge ugly man (the rapist!).
And we all believe, it was her real life story! 
Do not confuse us with Hormone Disruptors or anything..
Please 
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 08:03 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting kedycan: ....u telling me that? remember u called her "he" as an intentional effort of degrading and a perfect example of disrespect to people's choices.. |
In regards to calling Bulent he or she. It's not that simple. In some cases people are born with undefined sexuality. With all the indigestible Hormone Disruptors currently in use we will be seing many more cases like this.
"What Are Hormone Disruptors?
Scientists believe that many synthetic chemicals act as endocrine disruptors, or hormone disruptors, interfering with our bodies' natural hormone systems and causing a wide array of health problems. Hormone disruptors often act by imitating our natural hormones. Our bodies are "fooled" by these toxins, which can bind to the same sites to which natural hormones bind, thereby altering, magnifying or blocking the function of the natural hormones."
Hormone disruptors can cause intersexuality, that is cases where the fetus develops having no determined gender, or both genders in one body.
Most all the time, doctors and society force the persons to choose a gender and implement that choice via hormone treatments and surgery instead of just accepting them as they are. |
hey im not talking about hormones, maybe she didnt choose that herself but had to, etc... but i know she gets very angry when people call her "he"...
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 08:03 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: ....Alameda
You are making me smile here It reminded me a film: I dont remember the name of it but B ersoy was the leading actor..In the movie, he was a pretty boy and he has this bad 'experience', inflicted by this huge ugly man (the rapist!).
And we all believe, it was her real life story!
Do not confuse us with Hormone Disruptors or anything..
Please
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Yes, I'm sure Bulent had a very difficult life. Bulent is one of my favorite singers. Weren't there some problems in Adana?
On a more serious note, hormone disruptors are a serious and under noticed problem.
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 08:27 pm |
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i agree with u Alameda. if Bülent Ersoy hadn't got a different sexual preference, the common interest to her sentences would have been less.
in general Bülent Ersoy is right, but the neo-liberals and supporters of pkk MUST NOT exploit the sentences of B. Ersoy.
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 08:42 pm |
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Quoting adonis: i agree with u Alameda. if Bülent Ersoy hadn't got a different sexual preference, the common interest to her sentences would have been less.
in general Bülent Ersoy is right, but the neo-liberals and supporters of pkk MUST NOT exploit the sentences of B. Ersoy. |
all this uproar cos of her different sexual preference? well, the uproar is cos of the statement itself... (see the lynching campaign against ahmet kaya when he said he would compose a kurdish song in his next album...he was straight!!!)
and if u ask how the fascist harrassment and lynching campaign crying for blood of her is carried out, yes you r right then, all is carried upon simply based on her sexual choice(!). cos they have no other arguments (see AKP deputy's statement, "well yes im not as couragous as to have my p...s cut. and i have three SONS..." what a tragedy.. what a parliamentarian!
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 09:23 pm |
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Gossip:
more about her here:
http://d1o202.telia.com/~u222600821/Geir%20Site/Bulent1.html
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 09:30 pm |
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28 Feb 2008 Thu 09:34 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: Quoting adonis: i agree with u Alameda. if Bülent Ersoy hadn't got a different sexual preference, the common interest to her sentences would have been less.
in general Bülent Ersoy is right, but the neo-liberals and supporters of pkk MUST NOT exploit the sentences of B. Ersoy. |
all this uproar cos of her different sexual preference? well, the uproar is cos of the statement itself... (see the lynching campaign against ahmet kaya when he said he would compose a kurdish song in his next album...he was straight!!!)
and if u ask how the fascist harrassment and lynching campaign crying for blood of her is carried out, yes you r right then, all is carried upon simply based on her sexual choice(!). cos they have no other arguments (see AKP deputy's statement, "well yes im not as couragous as to have my p...s cut. and i have three SONS..." what a tragedy.. what a parliamentarian!
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There is no comparison between what Bulent said and the actions (purported) of Ahmed Kaya. Seeing as you got into the he/she issue, I expanded on it.
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29 Feb 2008 Fri 08:30 am |
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Quoting Roswitha: “Beloved Istanbulâ€
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Roswitha, your posts are always interesting but WHY do you almost always quote the entire article verbatim? With the combined weight of yours and Almeda's posts it's no wonder the site crashes so often! . Why don't you just leave us with the link and let us look for ourselves?
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29 Feb 2008 Fri 09:08 am |
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Quoting lady in red: Quoting Roswitha: “Beloved Istanbulâ€
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Roswitha, your posts are always interesting
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I agree, Roswitha's posts are always interesting. They are very informative and often create informative debates like this thread helping non Turks learn more. Thank you Roswitha
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29 Feb 2008 Fri 12:13 pm |
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Bravo Bülent. Nice to hear others feel the same way
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29 Feb 2008 Fri 12:42 pm |
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i bet she would be first rat which leaving boat at the first danger,so easy to talk for all who has mouth....Thats really so easy to make comments from palaces and far from all responsibilites...
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29 Feb 2008 Fri 03:07 pm |
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Indeed it is.
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29 Feb 2008 Fri 04:38 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: Quoting adonis: i agree with u Alameda. if Bülent Ersoy hadn't got a different sexual preference, the common interest to her sentences would have been less.
in general Bülent Ersoy is right, but the neo-liberals and supporters of pkk MUST NOT exploit the sentences of B. Ersoy. |
all this uproar cos of her different sexual preference? well, the uproar is cos of the statement itself... (see the lynching campaign against ahmet kaya when he said he would compose a kurdish song in his next album...he was straight!!!)
and if u ask how the fascist harrassment and lynching campaign crying for blood of her is carried out, yes you r right then, all is carried upon simply based on her sexual choice(!). cos they have no other arguments (see AKP deputy's statement, "well yes im not as couragous as to have my p...s cut. and i have three SONS..." what a tragedy.. what a parliamentarian!
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you misundertood my entry kedycan. what i mean to say that Bülent Ersoy's sexual preference played a key role and and a factor to face reactions. Ahmet Kaya's issue and Bulent Ersoy's issue are very different... just think about it.
i'm also castigating the sentences of AKP parliament to Bülent Ersoy. it's very ugly. see the quality (!) of our partliaments...
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29 Feb 2008 Fri 05:20 pm |
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I don't think the gender reassignment of this celebrity had anything to do with the issue. However, such a famous person making such a statement about such a sensitive issue is bound to cause controversy.
Famous people often use their status to heighten public interest in political issues. Whether one thinks this is a laudible thing to do depends on one's point of view on the issue aired.
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01 Mar 2008 Sat 05:52 am |
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OMG, what kind of police state is this!!! 
"An Istanbul prosecutor has launched an inquiry into statements made by Turkey's most popular transsexual singer for alienating the public from military service, a crime punishable by six months to two years in prison."
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=97456
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