I think, there is something wrong with the dates here.
Turkish independence war started in 1919 officially.
Enver,cemal, and Talat Pashas were in the power before that date.
They almost single handedly scraped the ottomans from the map with their mistakes!!
Even Ataturk left from the party (ittihat ve terakki) in 1907 and got rid of the rest of Ittihat ve Terakki members in 1925 and 1926.

So Ataturk himself was not proud of them!!!

Actually this subject requires more writing..I will try to compile something, in order to clear what was what; who was who; how we lost the wars; how nationalism started etc..
It might be a nice historical journey.

we already know that it s populer to talk contrary to reality in these days. Talat pasha were a official. and he did his duty. "Self defence" is not a war crime. in the world a game is being played that written some armenian groups and they are forcing leaders to accept this scenario with their money and power. But u cant write history or change history with money or power. if ppl wants to expose every bad event in history, we must see what happed in Hocalı, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cibuti, Algeria and many others... We dont see any discussion in europe about these events and I dont see any of those countries which accept one of them as genocide. so, for me talat pasha is not a person who is war crimanal, he was one of the official of government and he is one of the terror victims.


it s sad that some turkish ppl (turkish citizen, "mods may think it s racism to call them turkish") believe in this... ı want to say one thing to them. stop playing, orhan pamuk played it too but after the award, he said "I didnt say these, u misunderstood me"

Talat pasha committed war crimes..

And unfortunately, we are all paying for it right now.

Even Ataturk, in 24 Nisan 1920, talked about the incident of 1915 as a bad thing in the parliament.

He was not proud of those three pashas.
However, it is a free country, people might be proud with criminals whom Ataturk himself was not proud..

how nice when it suits your interests, u become a kemalist. u should know that what ataturk said about turkish history.

at first u must learn ur history not foreign ppl. that s why I wont waste my time for translation for you

if you respect ataturk, read this.


Atatürk, o dönemde yaşananlara ilişkin Bize karşı yapılmış olan iftiraların aksine, tehcir edilmiş olanlar hayattadır ve bunlardan ekserisi şayet İtilaf Devletleri bizi tekrar harp etmeye zorlamasa idi evlerine dönmüş olurlardı demişti.

Atatürk, Ermeni tehciri ve Ermeni çetelerinin yaptıkları katliamlar konusundaki görüşlerinden bazıları şÃ¶yle:

""İngilizlerin sulh zamanında ve harp sahasından uzak olarak İrlanda"ya reva gördüğü muameleye hemen hemen kayıtsız bir şekilde bakan dünya efkarı, Ermeni ahalinin tehciri hususunda almaya mecbur kaldığımız karar için bize karşı haklı bir ithamda bulunamaz.""

Bize karşı yapılmış olan iftiraların aksine, tehcir edilmiş olanlar hayattadır ve bunlardan ekserisi şayet İtilaf Devletleri bizi tekrar harp etmeye zorlamasa idi evlerine dönmüş olurlardı."

Talat Pasha DID commit war crimes.
WE should live with the truth..It is always better.

i think thats better to look at future instead uf stucking history,and we all have to be spokesman of peace,friendship and unite.And not easy to understand why we lossing sometime in politicans's words,and why we don't aware of politican's and falks' realities very different then each other....World turning so fast and never possible to turn back history,so priority on future and today never history and today even a great chance for writing a new history with the peace&tolerance pen...And i believe to try for make more commons against to all differences always better then to trying make more or deep our differences

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" All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation"

Hamparsum Boyaciyan, nicknamed "Murad," a former Ottoman parliamentarian who led Armenian guerilla forces, ravaging Turkish villages behind the lines, 1914. Cited from Mikael Varandean,
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"I killed Muslims by every means possible. Yet it is sometimes a pity to waste bullets for this. The best way is to gather all of these dogs and throw them into wells and then fill the wells with big and heavy stones. as I did. I gathered all of the women, men and children, threw big stones down on top of them. They must never live on this earth."

A. Lalayan, Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East) No: 2-3, Moscow, 1936. (Highly deceptive Armenian activists on the Internet are spreading rumors there is no Lalayan. The above quote has been confirmed. Lalaian was an Armenian Soviet historian and the Dashnag report above was first published in issue 2-3 of the magazine, Revolyutsionniy Vostok and then in issue 2 of Istoricheskie Zapisky, the organ of the USSR Academy of Sciences, Institute of History, The above quote is from a proud Dashnag officer, Aslem Varaam, in the report he wrote from the Beyazit-Vaaram region in 1920, Updated translation:: “I exterminated the Turkish population in Bashar-Gechar without making any exceptions. One sometimes feels the bullets shouldn’t be wasted. So, the most effective way against these dogs is to collect the people who have survived the clashes and dump them in deep holes and crush them under heavy rocks pressed from above, not to let them inhabit this world any longer. So I did accordingly. I collected all the women, men and children and extinguished their lives in the deep holes I dumped them into, crushing them with rocks.”)
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"When we arrived at Zeve, the village couldn't be passed through because of its stench. It was as if the bones in our noses would fall off... There were bodies everywhere. We saw a weird scene on the threshold of one house: they had filled the house with Muslims and burned it, and so many people had been burnt that the fat that had oozed from under the threshold had turned back into the trench in front of the door. That is, it was as if the river of fat had risen and later receded. The fat was still fresh. The entire village had been destroyed and was in this situation. I saw this with my own eyes, and I'll never forget it. We heard that they did the same thing to the Muslims on Carpanak Island. The Armenians told me about the latter; I did not see it for myself.”

Haci Osman Gemicioglu, an Armenian-Turk (having converted to Islam) who eyewitnessed the 1915 Zeve massacre; as told to Huseyin Celik, during interviews conducted in the late 1970s-early 80s.
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"Only 1,500 Turks remain in Van"

The Gochnag, an Armenian newspaper published in the United States, May 24,1915 ... in a proud report documenting the slaughter of the Turkish citizenry of Van.

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"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the
Armenians in the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Muslim) villages
that are utterly defenseless and bombarded these villages
with artillery and they murder the inhabitants, pillage the
village and often burn the village."

Admiral Mark Bristol, Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32: Bristol to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.
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"The Moslems who did not succeed in escaping [the city] were put to death..."

Grace H. Knapp, The Tragedy of Bitlis, Fleming H. Revell Co., New York (1919) , page 146.


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"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars (Turks), and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stones and dust, and when the villages became untenable and the inhabitants fled from them into the fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work."

Ohanus Appressian, describing incidents in 1919; Memoirs of an Armenian officer, Men are Like That, 1926.

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"This three-day massacre by Armenians is recorded in history as the 'March Events' and thousands of Muslims, old people, women and children lost their lives."

F. Kazemzadeh, The Struggle for Transcaucasia (New York, 1951), p. 69. (This excerpt refers not to Armenian atrocities against Ottoman Turks, but to "Tartar" (derogatory for "Tatar") Turks, when Armenia attacked Azerbaijan in 1918. Regarding this period of March 30 to April 1 1918, Vladimir Lenin said that commissar S. Shaumyan, the chief architect of the massacres throughout Azerbaijan, “turned Baku into an Armenian operated henhouse [slaughterhouse].” According to Justin McCarthy's “Death and Exile," "Between 8,000 and 12,000 Muslims were killed in Baku alone.…”)

--------------------“As the Armenians found support among the Reds (who regarded the Tartars as a counter-revolutionary elements) the fighting soon became a massacre of the Tartar population”

W. E. D. Allen and Paul Muratoff, “Caucasian Battlefields”, Cambridge University Press, 1953, p. 481
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"In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul."

Sahak Melkonian, Preserving the Armenian Purity, 1920


AND GOES ON.....

Awful quotes. And what a tragedy that they convey. The problem with google is that you get lots of hits and as moving quotes as yours if you try typing in the Armenian Genocide.

There are many voices on each side of the story and it's hard to see which side is true. Perhaps both.