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1.       accountant
203 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 03:00 pm

ok



Edited (3/17/2009) by accountant

2.       KeithL
1455 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 03:01 pm

No, Turkey doesn't need EU.

3.       accountant
203 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 03:06 pm

ok



Edited (3/17/2009) by accountant

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 03:24 pm

Quoting accountant:

You are right,KeithL...
We are agree with you...
Thank you for your sincere opinion.


well..It looks like Turkish people dont agree with you:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_30_29395

Turkey needs EU as much as EU needs Turkey..
That is the bottom line.

5.       magnadea
0 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 03:38 pm

Quoting accountant:

You are right,KeithL...
We are agree with you...
Thank you for your sincere opinion.



I am so glad to hear it! Speaking from a British point of view, we have enough immigrants thank you very much - I can't begin to imagine the flood of Turkish workers coming to Britain if they join the EU

It would also hail a sad end to the thriving Dudu industry (as men would no longer have to pretend to fall in love with women from EU countries) lol lol lol

6.       Avalon
381 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 03:51 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting accountant:

You are right,KeithL...
We are agree with you...
Thank you for your sincere opinion.


well..It looks like Turkish people dont agree with you:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_30_29395

Turkey needs EU as much as EU needs Turkey..
That is the bottom line.


Are you sure that EU needs Turkey as much?What for?
Global crisis is striking every EU country.
Ordinary citizens are not interested in Turkish issues at all(as members of this site are) and do not want any new countries in it.
They oppose new waves of immigrants and spending money on recent members.
Why in your opinion EU should need Turkey?

7.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 03:56 pm

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting accountant:

You are right,KeithL...
We are agree with you...
Thank you for your sincere opinion.



I am so glad to hear it! Speaking from a British point of view, we have enough immigrants thank you very much - I can't begin to imagine the flood of Turkish workers coming to Britain if they join the EU

It would also hail a sad end to the thriving Dudu industry (as men would no longer have to pretend to fall in love with women from EU countries) lol lol lol


Excuse me but you need immigrants
Your strawberries need picking for axample
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/tightening-of-immigration-laws-means-farmers-face-losing-50000-tonnes-of-fruit-826245.html

8.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 04:15 pm



Yeah, with us, Poles, abandoning UK and going back to our booming economies who's gonna do it?

9.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 04:27 pm

Quoting Avalon:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting accountant:

You are right,KeithL...
We are agree with you...
Thank you for your sincere opinion.


well..It looks like Turkish people dont agree with you:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_30_29395

Turkey needs EU as much as EU needs Turkey..
That is the bottom line.


Are you sure that EU needs Turkey as much?What for?
Global crisis is striking every EU country.
Ordinary citizens are not interested in Turkish issues at all(as members of this site are) and do not want any new countries in it.
They oppose new waves of immigrants and spending money on recent members.
Why in your opinion EU should need Turkey?


There are very many reasons why eu needs turkey.
some of them:
The fight against drug trafficking, cross-border crime and international terrorism.
The issue of energy. The Bosphorus is already a key supply route for the world's energy needs.
Azerbaijan to Turkey pipeline , 10 per cent of the world's tradeable oil production will be passing through Turkey.

Turkey's economy is growing faster than any of the current economies of the European Union.
Half of Turkey's trade is already with the EU and it is already a major market for EU exporters.
Politically you have to show that :
a secular democracy which shows respect for Islam can live comfortably in Europe; and EU is not a christian club.

and and
as EU Commissioner for Enlargement Guenter Verheugen once said:
"Europeans will need Turkey because its population is shrinking"


10.       Avalon
381 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 04:47 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Avalon:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting accountant:

You are right,KeithL...
We are agree with you...
Thank you for your sincere opinion.


well..It looks like Turkish people dont agree with you:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_30_29395

Turkey needs EU as much as EU needs Turkey..
That is the bottom line.


Are you sure that EU needs Turkey as much?What for?
Global crisis is striking every EU country.
Ordinary citizens are not interested in Turkish issues at all(as members of this site are) and do not want any new countries in it.
They oppose new waves of immigrants and spending money on recent members.
Why in your opinion EU should need Turkey?


There are very many reasons why eu needs turkey.
some of them:
The fight against drug trafficking, cross-border crime and international terrorism.
The issue of energy. The Bosphorus is already a key supply route for the world's energy needs.
Azerbaijan to Turkey pipeline , 10 per cent of the world's tradeable oil production will be passing through Turkey.

Turkey's economy is growing faster than any of the current economies of the European Union.
Half of Turkey's trade is already with the EU and it is already a major market for EU exporters.
Politically you have to show that :
a secular democracy which shows respect for Islam can live comfortably in Europe; and EU is not a christian club.

and and
as EU Commissioner for Enlargement Guenter Verheugen once said:
"Europeans will need Turkey because its population is shrinking"



Personally I am for Turkey in EU and I clearly understand your examples provided here except the final one.
Why Turks should solve the problem of shrinking population not Chinese(in EU countries there is constant flow of Chinese families,Romanians are doing pretty well in population growth too)?
Turkey is wanted by EU authorities perhaps but people who live in member countries have not even the slightest idea about Turkey or if they have it is the country associated with its beauty,cheap prices and being holiday resort for economical holidays or worse stereotyped,biased image of Islamic country despite proclaimed secularism.Media show mostly the other image of Turkey with all its problems,poverty,breaking human rights,social unjustice,etc...
I have also some doubts if EU is not a christian club.Church is still powerful and influentail institution in Europe and its opinion matters

11.       teaschip
3870 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 05:44 pm

I am all for Turkey joining the EU..However, I don't think this will ever happen. Do you really think they are ever going to admit to a genocide, abolish article 301? I think they are a far way off still from "freedom of speech". Banning "You Tube" just another example....Maybe if their economy improves, possibly. But I tend to think Tukey wants to enter the EU on their terms.

12.       si++
3785 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 06:29 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


Turkey needs EU as much as EU needs Turkey..
That is the bottom line.


Yes but your sentence is truncated.

Turkey needs EU as much as EU needs Turkey (needs EU).

So that they can utter things like
do this, do that first.
Recognise so-called genocide.
Get rid of article 301.
You are so big to digest, give some territory to Kurdistan, some to Armenia.
Your army is too strong, you don't need that big army.
blah blah blah

13.       incişka
746 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 06:36 pm

I personally dont want EU. It's not that we need it or we dont need it. I just dont want it. If it is a "European union" let it be so! I dont understand why some (or many) Turkish people are so willing to be considered European! We are asian! And I dont think being an asian is inferiority, like some people think...

14.       teaschip
3870 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 06:37 pm

Quoting si++:

Quoting thehandsom:


Turkey needs EU as much as EU needs Turkey..
That is the bottom line.


Yes but your sentence is truncated.

Turkey needs EU as much as EU needs Turkey (needs EU).

So that they can utter things like
do this, do that first.
Recognise so-called genocide.
Get rid of article 301.
You are so big to digest, give some territory to Kurdistan, some to Armenia.
Your army is too strong, you don't need that big army.
blah blah blah



But that's the thing Si++, Turkey is still a country with laws that don't represent European ideals. The European Union was built on principles of human rights, cooperation and economic stability. Unless Turkey can show this, it will have a hard time entering the EU.

15.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 09:42 pm

Quoting teaschip:


But that's the thing Si++, Turkey is still a country with laws that don't represent European ideals. The European Union was built on principles of human rights, cooperation and economic stability. Unless Turkey can show this, it will have a hard time entering the EU.





Right, I`m sure Bulgaria and Romania meet all these criteria you mentioned.


ohh but they have the Christianity wildcard.

16.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 09:53 pm

Quoting si++:

Quoting thehandsom:


Turkey needs EU as much as EU needs Turkey..
That is the bottom line.


Yes but your sentence is truncated.

Turkey needs EU as much as EU needs Turkey (needs EU).

So that they can utter things like
do this, do that first.
Recognise so-called genocide.
Get rid of article 301.
You are so big to digest, give some territory to Kurdistan, some to Armenia.
Your army is too strong, you don't need that big army.
blah blah blah


I dont know what you mean with above.
Ermenian issue is not a subject for turkey's application I believe..And the issue somehow, at some stage has to be solved anyway.
Of course we have to get rid of article 301..But not for eu we had to do it for ourselves long time ago!

Could you tell me any country from EU offically said to Turkey that we should give some territory to kurds or ermenians?
Our army is bulky and unnecessarly big. I am not sure if any of the eu countries said anything about it, but I as a Turkish citizen have been saying it many many years..

17.       libralady
5152 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 09:57 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:



Yeah, with us, Poles, abandoning UK and going back to our booming economies who's gonna do it?



Well first of all the Romanians and Bulgarians when their restrictions are lifted, following on from that will be the Croatians. It is the NON-EU migrants that will not be coming due to the new restrictions, EU is not affected. It is the EU (Easter Europeans in particular) that pick the strawberries and I for one should know, I live in the fens where the strawberries grow!

18.       libralady
5152 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 10:34 pm

Quoting accountant:

Should TÃœRKİYE join the European Community?
What do you think?
What is the European Union?
Is the EU scientific or double standart?
Turkish Public Union say "No" according to the Press.



I personally don't see the benefits of Turkey joining the EU, only to the EU! I think Turkey already has benefit of the EU in terms of tourisms and trading (take note of the lovely Turkish Cherries and Figs in our supermarkets!)

The EU is nothing but red tape, legislation, and Social European funding for useless projects.

Not sure what you mean by scientific - that I doubt!

19.       si++
3785 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 08:58 am

Quoting incişka:

I personally dont want EU. It's not that we need it or we dont need it. I just dont want it. If it is a "European union" let it be so! I dont understand why some (or many) Turkish people are so willing to be considered European! We are asian! And I dont think being an asian is inferiority, like some people think...



Why do you think we are Asian? This is not inferiority, no I don't want EU either. But no, we are (also) European. We lived in Europe for centuries. Our grand grand fathers were living in Europe 1 or 2 centuries ago. There are a lot of people in Turkey like that (me included, my grand grand fathers were living almost in the middle of Europe until 1877 when they were forced to migrate to Anatolia).

20.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 12:21 pm

si++ is right..
Historians know that the Turk Hun Empire ( 400 ) ruled the interior Europe during the Rome Empire, and the Turk Ottoman Empire (1300-1922) ruled the Eastern Europe and Balkans for 400 years.
Historians know that the USA used the Ottoman Empire as a model.
And historians know that TÃœRKİYE was the first country to allow woman to vote in the world.
Turks were already from the Europe...
Please read si++'s words.
si++ says=
"We are (also) European. We lived in Europe for centuries. Our grand grand fathers were living in Europe 1 or 2 centuries ago. There are a lot of people in Turkey like that (me included, my grand grand fathers were living almost in the middle of Europe until 1877 when they were forced to migrate to Anatolia)".

21.       magnadea
0 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 01:32 pm

Quoting yilgun-7:

And historians know that TÃœRKİYE was the first country to allow woman to vote in the world.



Turkish "historians" should check their facts!!!!

New Zealand was the first country to allow the women's vote... in 1893!!!! The UK was actually BEFORE Turkey - so I wonder where you got this "fact"? School? ;

For your information, a little Wikipedia link for you. Turkey appears quite late in the list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women%27s_suffrage

22.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 02:38 pm

I think Turkey doesn't need to join into EU, but many things must be change in Turkey, because these applications are not so good. Only when you say "we must take the standarts of EU" these changes can be possible right now. For that reason, the struggle of joining EU makes a positive effect to Turkey. But sure, Turkey doesn't need any advantage of EU. Just the standarts, like laws, applications, living styles etc.

23.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 02:42 pm

Quoting caliptrix:

I think Turkey doesn't need to join into EU, but many things must be change in Turkey, because these applications are not so good. Only when you say "we must take the standarts of EU" these changes can be possible right now. For that reason, the struggle of joining EU makes a positive effect to Turkey. But sure, Turkey doesn't need any advantage of EU. Just the standarts, like laws, applications, living styles etc.



I agree with you. Yet I think it would be good to have Turkey in the EU, for both sides.

I've heard about the sevres-syndrome, do you think that plays a role in the public opinion of TR for not wanting to join EU, out of a fear that the western countries will try to divide Turkey?

24.       si++
3785 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:10 pm

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting yilgun-7:

And historians know that TÃœRKİYE was the first country to allow woman to vote in the world.



Turkish "historians" should check their facts!!!!

New Zealand was the first country to allow the women's vote... in 1893!!!! The UK was actually BEFORE Turkey - so I wonder where you got this "fact"? School? ;

For your information, a little Wikipedia link for you. Turkey appears quite late in the list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women%27s_suffrage


That page talks about "right to vote". What about "right to be elected"? Our date includes both. Maybe in that criteria we are ahead of many (not sure if we were the first in the world though).

25.       Avalon
381 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 05:13 pm

Quoting si++:

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting yilgun-7:

And historians know that TÃœRKİYE was the first country to allow woman to vote in the world.



Turkish "historians" should check their facts!!!!

New Zealand was the first country to allow the women's vote... in 1893!!!! The UK was actually BEFORE Turkey - so I wonder where you got this "fact"? School? ;

For your information, a little Wikipedia link for you. Turkey appears quite late in the list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women%27s_suffrage


That page talks about "right to vote". What about "right to be elected"? Our date includes both. Maybe in that criteria we are ahead of many (not sure if we were the first in the world though).


Although New Zealand was the first country in the world to accord the vote to women in 1893, South Australia led the world in not only enfranchising women in 1894 but also making them eligible to sit in Parliament.
You were not the first in the world in that criteria but must admit that if Muslim world is taken into consideration you were the pioneers.Due to Ataturk and his ideas of equality.
Because of this post i read some interesting lines about women in Turkey at
http://www.business-with-turkey.com/tourist-guide/turkish_woman.shtml

it gives insight of electoral issue and its historical background.
Coming back to the topic Turkish membership in EU would give people ability to travel without any limits(well,perhaps financial but who does not have them).
Exploring world on your own widens horizons.Changes the way of thinking and perceiving things .

26.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 17 May 2008 Sat 11:17 pm

Can TÃœRKİYE and the EU reconcile their differences?

27.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 11:46 pm

Should TÜRKÝYE join the EC (European Community)?

 

Michel ROCARD (Former Premier of France)  wrote a book on Türkiye.

This book published this month.

His book´s title is "Oui a la Turquie".

 

ROCARD, in  his book, with his friend, Marti AHTÝSAARÝ (Former President of Finland), (Nobel Peace Prize Winner in 2008),  says  "Türkiye will join the EC in 2023.

 

28.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 29 Oct 2008 Wed 04:06 am

According to the Media = "TURKS say "No" to European Union now."

29.       Ms Agata
11 posts
 29 Oct 2008 Wed 06:02 am

Turkey doesnt need EU.

All it can really bring is loss of the cultural beauty of Turkey. Sure there are some good programs that EU offers but also many of them make no bigger difference to simple citizens and brings no bigger  (good) changes in their lives, if any at all.

In my personal opinion EU is really only sth what may sound nice, as union but infact its just bunch of countries where each wants more for themselves taking care of mostly their own business.

Look at Italy, well they got really "great" results of joinng this "great" union, many of them can barely afford their beloved pasta and from what I know they got more problems since they have the new european currency.

What more? Maybe that prices go up while noone talks about raising salaries.

Sure in the end maybe Turkey or any young partner of EU will become 2nd Ireland but this may take like 40 years, so good luck with that.

Noone can expect huge changes for years if any at all and Turkey like many other countries can work on its policy and problems without trying to reach EU standards.Citizens know what they need, what they have to work on, its all up to us, people and lets not hide, the gov which stinks in again most of countries

These are all politics and its always a sticky and dirty thing.

With these optimistic words comes the end of my little opinion

One thing is sure, even if in enourope there are some wrong opinions about Turkey and its citizens, those who ever had a chance to visit Turkey and meet turkish people just love it .

30.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 29 Oct 2008 Wed 02:07 pm

Thank you, Agata, for your opinion.

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