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What is wrong with Muslims?
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05 Jul 2008 Sat 08:06 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Was the purpose of this thread to bring people together or pull people apart? Or was it just to create some "excitement"?
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Keith, I see that you disagree with this thread, but maybe the 'purpose' was neither of those? Merely to discuss an issue that is causing lots of problems these days. Why is it that people cannot honestly have a conversation about this topic? There are some obvious problems with Islam, yet, muslim violence seems to have succeeded in putting everybody's heads in the sand and making us pretend like there's no problem.
Once again, this thread is not about or against muslims in general, it is about muslim violence and extremism. Since we talk about everything, we should also be able to talk about this.
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05 Jul 2008 Sat 08:08 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Don't get so upset and take things so personally! If thousands, no sorry millions of Christians came to your country and expect you to build churches, and make sure they had Christianity taught in schoolos, expected your country to make changes to accomodate them, and would not integrate you would understand better I am sure. No one is denegrading all Muslims so please dont take it like that.
You say we should learn to live together, I agree, then why do we have a city in England, Leicester, where now the balance has swung and white Britons are the minority and integration has not happened. Do we now have to integrate with the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs? There are whole areas of most big cities where you would think you are in a different country.
We don't hate it, most British people tolerate it, but we just would like them to accept our way of life a little more and not expect us to bow down to them. If they want to live in Britain then accept us!!!!!!! |
It seems like this is too difficult to get... :-S
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05 Jul 2008 Sat 10:33 pm |
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I am only pointing it out because of selective censorship. There should either be alot of censorship in our threads, or none at all...
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05 Jul 2008 Sat 10:43 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: Was the purpose of this thread to bring people together or pull people apart? Or was it just to create some "excitement"?
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Keith, I see that you disagree with this thread, but maybe the 'purpose' was neither of those? Merely to discuss an issue that is causing lots of problems these days. Why is it that people cannot honestly have a conversation about this topic? There are some obvious problems with Islam, yet, muslim violence seems to have succeeded in putting everybody's heads in the sand and making us pretend like there's no problem.
Once again, this thread is not about or against muslims in general, it is about muslim violence and extremism. Since we talk about everything, we should also be able to talk about this. |
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This is turning like the old days: 'ah this site has become so anti-muslim and anti-turkish'.
But, when we asked "what is anti-turkish or anti-islam here?"
There was no viable answer!!
The problem here I can see is that 'some people do NOT WANT TO talk about some topics. They dont want to hear anything about it'.
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05 Jul 2008 Sat 10:44 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Once again, this thread is not about or against muslims in general, it is about muslim violence and extremism. Since we talk about everything, we should also be able to talk about this. |
No the thread is all about your hypocrisy. If you`re not against the muslims but violence, why don`t you ever talk about the christian violence? The christian crusaders(that crusader word is what the commander of the army said, not my interpretation) are responsible for the murder of 600,000 of muslims in Iraq. Can you point out a worse case of violence and crime than this?
Just 5 months ago, the christians burnt 10 Turks in Germany to death. Why haven`t you ever mentioned about this, if you`re against violence?
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05 Jul 2008 Sat 10:57 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting catwoman: Once again, this thread is not about or against muslims in general, it is about muslim violence and extremism. Since we talk about everything, we should also be able to talk about this. |
No the thread is all about your hypocrisy. If you`re not against the muslims but violence, why don`t you ever talk about the christian violence? The christian crusaders(that crusader word is what the commander of the army said, not my interpretation) are responsible for the murder of 600,000 of muslims in Iraq. Can you point out a worse case of violence and crime than this?
Just 5 months ago, the christians burnt 10 Turks in Germany to death. Why haven`t you ever mentioned about this, if you`re against violence? |
But tamikidakika
am I right to ask "What is stoping you opening those subjects you are mentioning?"
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05 Jul 2008 Sat 11:09 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: But tamikidakika
am I right to ask "What is stoping you opening those subjects you are mentioning?" |
It`s not a matter of who talks about what. the question here is "why Catwoman is always onesided".
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05 Jul 2008 Sat 11:41 pm |
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I didn't take the time to read all of this. Because I am pretty sure I can guess the content. And everybody knows how I think about freedom of speech, and how we should be able to talk about everything. Muslim violence, christian violence. I really don't care how you name it, it is violence and religion, and I'm against both either way.
But to be honest Catwoman, the title you choose for this forum, doesn't look like you aimed at a friendly debate to discuss 'Muslim violence'. It seems a little inflammatory to me, and can understand if anyone would object to the title alone, instead of any of the posts. Wish you had picked another title, it's bad enough if members pick such titles, let us administrators and mods not be the bad example...
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 01:04 am |
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Quoting libralady:
Don't get so upset and take things so personally! If thousands, no sorry millions of Christians came to your country and expect you to build churches, and make sure they had Christianity taught in schoolos, expected your country to make changes to accomodate them, and would not integrate you would understand better I am sure. No one is denegrading all Muslims so please dont take it like that.
You say we should learn to live together, I agree, then why do we have a city in England, Leicester, where now the balance has swung and white Britons are the minority and integration has not happened. Do we now have to integrate with the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs? There are whole areas of most big cities where you would think you are in a different country.
We don't hate it, most British people tolerate it, but we just would like them to accept our way of life a little more and not expect us to bow down to them. If they want to live in Britain then accept us!!!!!!! |
Look libralady,i wont claim that i know how things are back there at UK and if things are just or unjust to both you and Muslims,because actually i dont know,so i cant judge and have an opinion of my own
İ have tried to have a good clue about it from people who actually live there not google wise
But i heard only your view not a british Muslim's view
From what you say ,i would say you are totally right,you 'as UK' giving them their rights as any citizens who has the rights to practice their own believes and religion and even making things well for them
And least they offer that they give same acceptance to you,people with different believes,and respect your ways of living
But you see,from those comments beneath that vidoe on youtube,i believe many of you didnt accept them and even hate their guts too !
But actually my reply wasnt for that point,it was for the idea from that thread at the first place,and not to mention the title
Those alone can say many things
Cat has picked a Muslim man comment,and was talking about hate and violence İslam ,blah ,blah....ect
And actually to reply to that we can also copy many,and many comments for different people not just same person,but many different people 'NOT muslims',and full of hatred toward Muslims and all from beneath that same video !
BUT, she just skipped that as if there are not there
Or as if the other people were just friendly and peacful and tolerated,and that Muslim was full of hatred unlike them !!
Bottom line is
''Muslims are the bad people,no others,and its not changable,its in their blood no matter where they are
So we must do something about it ! ''
İ dont take things personally libralady,but yes as i said we can both read and also understand !
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 10:24 am |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting CANLI:
We like OUR religion the way it is,we wont REFORM it the way YOU ''none Muslims' like
And CERTAİNLY we wont be taught about OUR religion and the way to practice it from none Muslims !
We will always be as we are ...Muslims
And guess what, we wont go anywhere either,we will always be here too same as you 'None Muslims' do
So ,dont you think its about time that we learn to live together the way we both are because that is what WAS and what İS and what WİLL going to be also maybe you 'None Muslims' learn to accept it even if you hate it ?! |
Don't get so upset and take things so personally! If thousands, no sorry millions of Christians came to your country and expect you to build churches, and make sure they had Christianity taught in schoolos, expected your country to make changes to accomodate them, and would not integrate you would understand better I am sure. No one is denegrading all Muslims so please dont take it like that.
You say we should learn to live together, I agree, then why do we have a city in England, Leicester, where now the balance has swung and white Britons are the minority and integration has not happened. Do we now have to integrate with the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs? There are whole areas of most big cities where you would think you are in a different country.
We don't hate it, most British people tolerate it, but we just would like them to accept our way of life a little more and not expect us to bow down to them. If they want to live in Britain then accept us!!!!!!! |
+1 - very well put LL but you forgot schoolchildren not being allowed to celebrate Christmas in many schools in case it causes offence - I believe they have to refer to it as 'The Winter Holiday' or something equally ridiculous.
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 10:55 am |
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Quoting lady in red: Quoting libralady: Quoting CANLI:
We like OUR religion the way it is,we wont REFORM it the way YOU ''none Muslims' like
And CERTAİNLY we wont be taught about OUR religion and the way to practice it from none Muslims !
We will always be as we are ...Muslims
And guess what, we wont go anywhere either,we will always be here too same as you 'None Muslims' do
So ,dont you think its about time that we learn to live together the way we both are because that is what WAS and what İS and what WİLL going to be also maybe you 'None Muslims' learn to accept it even if you hate it ?! |
Don't get so upset and take things so personally! If thousands, no sorry millions of Christians came to your country and expect you to build churches, and make sure they had Christianity taught in schoolos, expected your country to make changes to accomodate them, and would not integrate you would understand better I am sure. No one is denegrading all Muslims so please dont take it like that.
You say we should learn to live together, I agree, then why do we have a city in England, Leicester, where now the balance has swung and white Britons are the minority and integration has not happened. Do we now have to integrate with the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs? There are whole areas of most big cities where you would think you are in a different country.
We don't hate it, most British people tolerate it, but we just would like them to accept our way of life a little more and not expect us to bow down to them. If they want to live in Britain then accept us!!!!!!! |
+1 - very well put LL but you forgot schoolchildren not being allowed to celebrate Christmas in many schools in case it causes offence - I believe they have to refer to it as 'The Winter Holiday' or something equally ridiculous. |
and what is wrong with this? no secular country would allow religious celebrations in schools. That shows how secular Europe is.
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