Contrary to popular belief, it is rather clear that the majority of Muslims who are labeled as 'moderate', are not really moderate at all, they support (silently or not) Muslim domination, separation, condemnation for western values of freedom and equality... etc. There is a video about Londonistan and one Muslim man wrote this underneath:

"hahahah this video shows how we muslims r taking over city by city., we have already taken over the capital city and we r going to kill any white kafirs make any move on muslim, let me remind u about 7/7 hahahaah we will bomb all u wanker, go fuk ur mum,sister,daughter, or wotever u guys like doing u kafirs "

Look at the profound hatred that is expressed in this comment from this young, 25-year old man. He is not isolated in his opinions! How can something like this be tolerated, both by Westerners in whose countries such people live and by fellow Muslims who claim to believe in love and peace... ?

I could find you lots of weirdos in the states too canim who preach white-protestant superiority. Its not always a pretty world...dimi???

No...Eastern hatred and western hatred are equal I'm afraid.
As is their respective stupidity...
I don't want to turn this into a one-upsmanship in hatred, but in particular, the white men in Texas that drug a black man to death from the back of their truck as his body came apart...this was my realization that humanity has no limitations on evil...

That is all horrible, but how does it minimize the hatred of Muslims, such as the one in the message above? And we know that radicals in Europe are above criticism and law.

i don't think it minimises muslim hatred at all, more pointing out that hate everywhere is the same, regardless of east or west.

not that i am supporting the post you refer to, but could it be a macho response to all the racist posts below it that are directed at muslims?

honestly, some of the comments made about videos on youtube are generally vile, racist, and sexist.

I don't think your comparing apples to apples when referring to white supremacists. They do exist, however they are an isolated group of individuals.

I think the question arises from Islam even "moderate Islam" do they really believe in religous freedom?

A couple examples which sometimes raises my doubts..

Muslim women who convert to Christianity are prohibited from marrying Christian men, while children of converts are regarded as Muslims and educated as Muslims. Even in death, converts must be buried as Muslims.

Preaching on Saudi state television from the holy mosque in Medina, Shaykh Salah Bin-Muhammad al-Budayr hailed Ramadan, concluding his sermon (according to a translation at www.imra.org.il): "O God, support Islam and Muslims and destroy the enemies of Islam, including Jews, Christians and atheists. . . . O God, deal with the Jews for they are within your power. . . O God, shake the land under their feet, instill fear in their hearts and make them a booty for Muslims and a lesson to others."

Such sermonizing is quite common in the Muslim world. It may show a commitment to something, but religious freedom?

My parents were married in the '60's in south-east Germany. My parents at the time were of different Christian faith at the time, Roman Catholic and Protestant.
Both sides of my family were unhappy that this was a "mixed marraige". Like all religions, those that you feel are too extreme in islam will evntually moderate over time.
But I have to agree with Mr.X here. This is indeed a sore that has closed and has been healing at TC for the last several months. Whats the point of opening the scab and making it bleed again???

As most of you know, I live in Texas. I am not originally from here...I lived in the Northeastern part of the US for most of my life. I too thought racial hatred was a thing of the past...I also thought that religious differences didn't make a difference...but I can promise you that they do. The KKK is very much alive and very much out in the open in some eastern Texas communities. They rally every Saturday in front of local supermarkets and leave their literature everywhere for anyone to read (including my 11 year old son). They hate everyone (blacks, catholics, hispanics, jews, muslims, homosexuals)...anyone who is not what they consider "pure white". They have internet websites, radio, television stations to spread their hate as well. It's really quite disgusting and if a Muslim person wanted to find an audio, video bite of a Christian(or someone claiming to be)screaming and yelling and saying terrible things about Muslims, its not hard to find.

I think there are some people that just hate everyone. I think the media does tend to make it seem like every Muslim hates every Christian or Jew...and I know of some who do. But for the most part, most of the Muslims I know are not that different from me. The media loves to perpetuate the fear between the East and the West. I know many of us have been to Turkey and as for myself, I can say, I have never been threatened by a Muslim. However, I would not go to a small town in East Texas with a T-Shirt saying, "Kiss me I'm Catholic".

I have to say that the UK bends over backwards to assist Muslims, everything they ask for is provided. Schools, mosques, halal food etc. They are renowned for not integrating into communities, it is a case of he who shouts loudest and they shout loud and they get.

Then they repay our hospitality by blowing up hundreds of people in our undergrounds and transport system and we are still tolerant. Then we find that there are a group of muslims who wanted to blow up a series of planes from Heathrow, in flight. So what are we supposed to think?

We know that not all Muslims are the same, so we don't tar all with the same brush. But you cannot help looking with distain when you are confronted in an underground carriage and you are the only white person in it. I find myself eyeing up who is beside me....just in case.

I must say that the muslims I am referring to are not Turkish, they are generally middle eastern origin, but what we call "home grown", they are born in the UK of Middle eastern parentage, usually Afgans and Pakistanis.

Alameda, your response is again a classic mix of avoidance, denial and attack as a form of defense.

First of all, there is no reason to think that it's a few 'bad apples'. While it's not all Muslims that are hateful, there are no Muslims who are against the hate of the loud group. In fact, if you survey the Muslims for their opinions about the acts of terror and hatred, majority will either approve or support, very few condemn. So there is no reason to say that it's 'few bad apples', it's just denial.

Western involvement with problems in the Middle East are wrong and the whole world is against them. It's a separate issue.

Muslims who immigrate to the UK and the West have to integrate, otherwise they have no right to claim benefits from living in those countries. If they cannot respect the rules of those countries and the people who live there, they need to go back where they came from.

I would like to think if you loath a society so much you would choose not to live there?? As disgusting as the white supremest groups are I would say the most significant difference would be that they don't relocate and surround themselves with a society of people that sickens them. I do find it odd that some muslim people would move to the very country they despise.

I'm not sure what you are asking for. What I meant was that the majority of Muslims are supporting violent Islam and while there are progressive, liberal voices, they are really small circles and therefore almost powerless. It does seem to be a brainwashing propaganda sponsored by extremists that unfortunately is appealing to more and more Muslims.

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There was a new ICM poll of British Muslims in the Sunday Telegraph. The finding in the poll that got the most coverage was a question that suggested that 40% of British Muslims supported “there being areas in Britain which are pre-dominately Muslim and in which sharia law is introduced”.

Regarding reactions to the cartoons, 14% of British Muslims thought it was right for protesters in Muslim countries to attack Danish embassies and 12% thought it was right for “demonstrators to carry placards calling for the killing of those who insult Islam”. 13% said it was right “to exercise violence against those who are deemed by religious leaders to have insulted them”.

40% of British Muslims want sharia


And then we have quite a few Muslims whose statements in private or when they are among people they trust, fully contradict their statements to reporters from Western media. Take the attacks in London on July 7, 2005, when three metro trains and a double decker bus were targeted by suicide bombers. In media interviews, Hamid Ali, a leading imam in the Al-Madina Masjid mosque in Beeston, Leeds, where the July 7 bombers worshipped, condemned the attacks. ‘The perpetrators ought to be punished,' he told newspapers a week after the attack. But some months later he was visited by a ‘Sunday Times' undercover reporter of Bangladeshi origin posing as a student. In a secretly taped conversation imam Hamid Ali said: ‘What they (the bombers) did was good. They have warned that we are here, we Muslims. People have taken notice. They died so that people would take notice... Big meetings and conferences make no change at all. With this, at least people's ears have pricked up.' In his view, the terrorist attacks in London sort of reflected the growing impact of Islam in Britain. And keep in mind, the same imam had previously publicly condemned these attacks. The ‘Sunday Times' undercover operation in Beeston found that radical views had not subsided in the months after the London bombings. Many Muslims, particularly younger men, expressed admiration for the bombers' "martyrdom".'

The massive migration from Muslims to Europe has not just brought us good and pleasant things such as cultural enrichment. These immigrants have also imported cultural habits like honor crimes and crime in general. The Dutch criminologists Cyrille Fijnaut and Frank Bovenkerk pointed out that Turkish, Kurdish and Moroccan immigrant groups play a significant role in the drugs trade in the Netherlands. Kurds from Turkey, for example, ‘play a large role in the herion trade because they come from the east and southeast of the country and have ties with neighboring countries from which the opium comes.'

A Dutch government report issued in December 2005 notes that prisons are used by terrorists to recruit criminals (especially if they have a Muslim background, but there are also many cases of so-called converts to Islam). The contacts between criminals and followers of radical Islam are a matter of corcern, the report says. It may be an indication that radical preachers have something to offer them: another career using the same criminal methods but now in the service of Allah. This is also happening in Belgium and Spain.

A relatively new phenonemon is the fact that an increasing number of Muslim immigrants in Europe are attracted by radicalism and even terrorism, particularly after the September 11 attacks in America. Especially Europe's second generation Muslims are susceptible to recruitment by extremists. The militants now benefit from the chaos in Iraq and Afghanistan (which they themselves, to a large extend, helped to create) and repeated and not always unfounded allegations of human rights abuses linked to the so-called ‘war on terror' (‘See what the Americans and their friends are doing!'). The militants and extremists have one agenda only: they seek to gradually take over Europe. Spokesmen for Al-Qaeda already announced that they want to restore Islamic rule in large parts of Spain. For centuries Muslims were in control of Southern Spain but they were driven out at the end of the Middle Ages. The militants refer to the glorious times of ‘Al-Andalus' which must return. The extremists also want to cut off the transfer of oil to the West in order to force it on its knees. That is why they frequently attack pipelines and oil installations in Iraq. On February 24, 2006, suicide terrorists linked to Al-Qaeda targeted the largest oil refinery in Saudi Arabia. Two cars from the Saudi company ‘Aramco' loaded with explosives were approaching the outer gates but security guards opened fire just in time and the cars exploded. In oil rich Nigeria a civil war between the Muslims in the north and the Christians in the south is about to break out. Such a conflict will only benefit terrorist networks like Al-Qaeda. Oil from Nigeria will no longer flow to the West. There is an urgent need for getting rid of our dependence on the massive consumption of oil, replacing it by an economy based on renewable sources of energy.

The biggest threat to peace and stability in Europe is the presence of relatively large numbers of militant and angry young Muslims who seek to impose their will on state and society. It seems the rulers of Europe do not know how to respond to this new challenge. Such fatal hesitation will only contribute to worsening the situation. Recently, a number of Dutch Muslim organizations decided to legally challenge all those who ‘offend' Islam or the Muslims. Their lawyer Nico Steijnen announced he would even appeal to the European Court of Human Rights if necessary. Killing freedom of speech in the name of other freedoms is a means to the end, and those who love sharia law and hate the West like to go to the utmost to exploit the western legal system they so utterly abhor. Dutch immigation authorities are trying to cope with radical Muslims from other countries who are legally fighting their extradition. One case is already before the European Court of Human Rights. This militant Muslim who tried to recruit others has been declared an undesirable alien, yet he cannot be expelled because he appealed to Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights (‘No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.')

The problem of militant Islam in Europe


In these strange totalitarian times we live in, it is no longer possible to suggest that the Muslim Council of Britain and the East London Mosque are representative not of moderate Islam, but of imperialist Islam, of genocidal Islam, of violent, oppressive, raping, gay-murdering, honour killing, forced marrying, girl-mutilating, Christian-hating, Jew-hating, suicide-bombing Islam — so I will refrain from doing so. I will let readers draw their own conclusions and would suggest they also read — if they have not already done so — Adrian Morgan’s meticulously researched article on the MCB and Fjordman’s Jihad Watch article on Muslim expansion in the West.

The face of moderate Islam in Britain


Nagina Shah, who walked away from her faith and family 14 years ago after a forced marriage, believes that traditional Islam and modern Western life do not mix.

Is Islam compatible with the West?


VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Britain's struggle to contain Muslim extremism points up a chilling trend across Europe: the rise of radical Islam, and with it, a willingness among a small but dangerous minority of young people to answer the call to jihad.

Plots show rise of islamic extremism in Europe

Catwoman and Karekin04 have a point. Immigrating to a country, you have to accept that country's laws and customs. From what I've read, there is a huge group of well-integrated Muslims in the UK, still, those not integrating are a serious problem as well. Even in Ireland, a country that doesn't have a huge Muslim immigration, sometimes you feel ice-cold, piercing eyes of covered women. Muslim doctors also treat you differently if you're Muslim - that's sweet, isn't it? Somehow I can't imagine a few million of Catholics moving to a Muslim country and demanding pork in restaurants and shops or applying their own dress-code in the streets. Imagine teenagers at school kissing or holding hands in the street. Living off social welfare and loudly demanding that Muslims let them live their way. So far, the number of Christians in Muslim countries is very low (geezz I wonder why) or they are not immigrants but fellow countrymen who, like Canli many times pointed out, live more or less like Muslims (covered women etc).

I wonder why countries without big Muslim communities do not suffer from suicidal bombers attacks.

Go ahead, canli, start a post "What is wrong with Christians?", let's talk about it. Give links and data that show problems with christians and we will also talk about them. You know however, that problems with christians do not make problems with muslims any less bad.

I think these articles will be relevant here:

Fear of Islam: Britain's new disease
Muslims feel like 'Jews of Europe'

And this:

Sharia law 'coming to Britain'

Sharia could play a role in some parts of the legal system, the most senior judge in England and Wales said today.

The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers, ruled out the possibility of sharia courts sitting in this country or deciding penalties.

Sharia, a set of principles governing the way many Muslims believe one should live one's life, suffered from "widespread misunderstanding" by the rest of the world, he added.

Was the purpose of this thread to bring people together or pull people apart? Or was it just to create some "excitement"?

if i had a magic power, i'd ban all the religions. no war, no religion, have sex. this is my motto. regards.

I am only pointing it out because of selective censorship. There should either be alot of censorship in our threads, or none at all...

I didn't take the time to read all of this. Because I am pretty sure I can guess the content. And everybody knows how I think about freedom of speech, and how we should be able to talk about everything. Muslim violence, christian violence. I really don't care how you name it, it is violence and religion, and I'm against both either way.

But to be honest Catwoman, the title you choose for this forum, doesn't look like you aimed at a friendly debate to discuss 'Muslim violence'. It seems a little inflammatory to me, and can understand if anyone would object to the title alone, instead of any of the posts. Wish you had picked another title, it's bad enough if members pick such titles, let us administrators and mods not be the bad example...

Schools have nothing to do with the 'non'secularism of a country. The Netherlands are a secular country, but we have schools with a Christian vision, an Islamic vision, public schools that have no religious vision, schools that teach according to the montessori or jenaplan vision. That does not make us less secular. It makes us secular because there is space for all religions to establish themselves in a school.

Tamikidakika, you may say your schoolsystem is more secular than, for instnace the UK, because they allow Christian festivities and Turkey does not. But in Turkish primary schools Sunni Islam is a compulsory lesson. In schools in the Netherlands, the type of religious education depends on the type of school you choose, it doesn't 'depend' on the fact that every state sponsored primary school offers obliged Sunni İslam lessons. They aren't as obliged as they used to be, Christian parents can send the Turkish schools letters that they are not Muslim and therefore their children don't have to take these lessons. Yes, a big improvement. But what about Alevis? They consider themselves Muslim, but they have to write a letter to the schoolprincipal 'that they are not Muslim' (though they consider themselves Muslim) in order for their children not to take Sunni lessons. How secular is that?

You can't debate on secularism comparing the UK, The Netherlands and Turkey. Because the meaning of secularism is different in those places. In the Netherlands, secularism means that the state doesnt interfere with religion, that you can establish religious schools and that parents are free to choose what school they send their children to. It means that you can celebrate Christmas with a schoolplay in a church, and you can celebrate Ramazan with an iftar-meal in the schoolhall. If you're lucky, your school does both.
In Turkey it means direct control of religion by the state, where the state has picked Sunni İslam to be the 'right' religion that needs state protection and state interference. Its no use to debate on secularism or education without keeping that in your mind. But what you say, is simply untrue: different types of education do not make a country less secular.

religion, secularism, islam, christianity, atheism, feminism, dudus etc... they are all same shit. calm down dudes, make a tea or lemonade. is it necessary to waste your time by dealing with these kinda subjects?

"extremist muslims are terrorists, christians have a barbaric history, women rights, viva feminism, men dump us everythime, i luv my dudu, dudu wants some money from me" bla bla.. always talking about the same shits. please calm down and then satisfy your partners instead of sitting on a chair and vomitting here. regards. grazie.

Not taking the Alsagar school as an example, but I think sometimes incidents filter through to the media before all facts are known. Children may go home and relate an incident and parents may over react without knowing the full facts.

One Christmas our school provided the usual Christmas style school dinner and a 6 year old Muslim child went home and told his parents that he had eaten non halal meat. Luckily the parents came to school and listened to what we had to say and went away happy. The meat was halal but had been cooked in a traditional "British" way and that is how the child had become confused.

Here is another article that again raises the question regarding religous freedom for Muslims..I don't understand why converting to another religion has a terrible impact. In my opinion converts are usually the ones who are most dedicated to their new found religon.

Muslim apostates cast out and at risk from faith and family

and here is another one discrediting your source...

'Poisonous and dangerousThe constant regurgitation by the media of Muslim-baiting 'research' by right-wing think tanks misleads the public and is driven by a neocon political agenda'
Poisonous and dangerous

"This week's forensic exposure by the BBC programme Newsnight of the apparent fabrication of evidence underpinning an inflammatory report into British Muslims by the Tory-linked think tank Policy Exchange has revealed the soft underbelly of what has become an increasingly poisonous and dangerous campaign."

If what your article were true, people like Tariq Ali and his family would have been dead long long ago...but they are not, in fact they have reproduced...

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One must know the answer to the question "Who is a muslim?", before making comments about the followers of Islam.To do that, you do not go through wiki or websites and post some parts of articles as a source, you go to real source (Quran, Bible, etc) and read it. The same idea/approach is also true for Christians, Jews, etc.

A true Muslim, Christian, Jew, etc has nothing to do with violance and so the concept of hate.

It is always the people using religion by deception for their evil as an excuse. Nothing less nothing more.

Al birini vur otekine

After reading the whole posts..

"Al birini vur otekine" does not solve the problem. In the frame of religions, the main problem is people do not read, but love to listen and being told what is written

I encounter this problem many times. They say something that is 100% against the scripture and I ask where did you learn that? The usual answer is from my father, grandfather, etc.. When I underline the fact that his/her father, grandfather is wrong, then the argument becomes "How do you know?!!", answer is simple, because I read canim hehe

Catwoman is right as always.
Muslims are bad. Turks are bad.
Catwoman is always right.
She is a Muslim.
She is a Turk.
She knows everything.
She is the saint admin.
If you defence your ideas, you ll be warned.
She is the cat
She is the god of romance
She is Jennifer Lopez
She is Paris Hilton
She is Recep tayyip erdogan

To be the best like her : Try to do these ones.

1)Find a topic about any country / religion.
-You can find nazi supporters.
-You can find american supporters and the one's that says -"It's good we kill children there, There wont be any cihad soldier after years "
-You can find terrorist that are saying they fcked turkish army. Just change the first post against turkish army.

-Ok then, to be smart like her, choose the one that is wrong and muslim / turkish people said. Forget about americans / nazis.

Then you're ready to attack.
Copy and Paste it. Create a topic.
Now you're a catwoman. But you can never be a totally catwoman.

Not finished !
To be a really catwoman :
Quote this post
reply it as ;

- " I did not mean it, I love turks , I love muslims, I m also married with a turkish guy(!). " / " Here is a off topic boy, here we can talk about anything. Especially the ones that insults Turks / Muslims. You know we respect and love you that's why we insult. "

OR
- if you cant find an answer. Dont reply or delete the post

Now you're a Catwoman.

The topic would be : "A stupid guy" / "a brainless" / "a silly post "

For catwoman : " What is wrong with Muslims?"

"muslims" = All the muslims that is your neighbour,5 years old children, also me.

Wondering if the x one is the guy that posted that, or the one quoted that...
x=up 2 u.

PS : Also curious about the adulatories and the lawyers and the children that will reply instead of her without knowing what my post is really about and the past of her.

Uykusuz you are really confused man
Go and get some sleep hehe

And I just realized I am telling you things to beleive and accept.

You would better go and read for yourself hehe
And thanks for the intelligent and constructive discussion

Can you imagine if all African Americans in my country were silent? If you demand change, you have the responsiblity to speak out. It's the manner in which you speak out and deliver the message that people tend to struggle with. If your more comfortable signing a petition rather than joining a ralley you are still contributing to the end result. It's the people who remain totally silent I have more worries about. You know the saying "silence is a deadly weapon". I think there could be some truth to that.

Is islam dominated by radicals?
here's an intelligent answer:

Islamic Radicals Debate 1

Islamic Radicals Debate 2

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Mumbai girl's parents get life term for killing her

Mumbai: A Mumbai Sessions Court on Friday sentenced Mehnaz Bano's parents to life imprisonment after holding them guilty of killing the girl and destroying evidence.

Mehnaz, a resident of Nagpada, was killed by her parents and minor sister on July 2, 2006, for being in love with a Hindu boy. The 18-year-old Mehnaz's parents confessed to having strangled her.

The Nagpada police tracked her father Mohammed Munna Khan through the identification of his employer's company logo on the sacks. Khan and his wife Shehnaz Khan were arrested and during interrogation, they confessed to their crime.

Mehnaz's father admitted he chopped her body into 11 pieces, and dumped it in two sacks beneath the Byculla flyover in South Mumbai.

Their 14-year-old daughter, who was accused of abetting the crime, is in a juvenile home.

Jordanian boy murders sister for 'honour'

AMMAN: A 16-year-old boy has been charged with murdering his 23-year-old sister in an apparent "honour killing", a judicial official said.

The unnamed suspect reportedly stabbed his sister 10 times in the heart on Wednesday in a village in the north-eastern governorate of Mafraq, said the official.

"He has confessed to murdering his sister because she disappeared from home for a month with a boyfriend," the official said. It was the seventh reported so-called "honour" killing this year, according to security officials.

In 2007, Jordanian authorities recorded 17 such murders, slightly up on previous years.

Killers in such cases, however, often receive light sentences if convicted, as the parliament has twice refused to reform the penal code despite pressure from human rights groups to end the near impunity of the perpetrators.

Yemen: Camel urine trade flourishing

Sanaa, 11 July (AKI) - Camel urine, considered an ancient Islamic 'remedy' from the time of the Prophet Mohammed, has become big business for men and women in Yemen.

The urine has become fashionable recently among Yemen's young people, who claim that it strengthens the scalp, slows hair loss and promotes healthy hair.

According to the Arab TV network al-Arabiya, hair salons throughout the country are requesting this precious 'tonic' and selling it at four dollars a litre - a high price considering the income level of most of the buyers.

"I have been using camel urine since I have been going to elementary school," said Amal, a university student in Sanaa.

"The first time a neighbour told me that she had been using it (urine) for many years, because it made her hair more beautiful and shiny. Now everyone in my home uses it."

The use of the urine is not just limited to women. Men have reportedly also been using it to prevent or stop hair loss.

"Many young men use the camel's urine. I am forced to buy large quantities for my business," said Hasan, a barber.

A boom in the sale of camel urine has prompted people to begin breeding more camels, and they are constantly being given liquids in order to collect more urine.

Nomadic camel breeders have benefited the most from the sale of urine. The breeders are usually in the most remote areas of the country such as Hudeida and Mukallah provinces.

Some people also claim that camel urine is good for the liver, a claim discredited by the University of Sanaa that said it was harmful for the digestive system.

The use of camel urine could have its roots in Islamic religion. In the Prophet Mohammed's "sunna" (or tradition), it talks about the benefits of camel milk and urine.

In a "hadith" (or narrative), foreigners are said to have gone to the holy city of Medina with high fever and the Prophet Mohammed ordered them to leave the city and drink urine and milk from a camel to help them recover.

Outrage as China slave scandal deepens

More than 1,000 people, many of them young children, have been forced to work as slaves in a brutal human trafficking ring in China that has shocked and outraged the nation, police say.

More than 500 people have already been rescued in recent days from brick yards and coal mines that were run with exceptional ruthlessness in two provinces in central and northern China.

Media reports described freed workers, some as young as eight, as having been beaten, nearly starved and forced to work long hours under appalling conditions, apparently with the involvement of some local police and officials.

At least one man was beaten to death, according to a confession by a brickyard boss on television, with other reports saying the slave trade had been going on since at least March - and perhaps for years.

"So far, we have rescued more than 200 people including over 40 children," an official with the Henan provincial public security department, who gave only his surname of Dang, told AFP by phone.

"They were abducted and sold to brick kilns in Shanxi and Henan provinces."

Li Fulin, vice-director of public security in Shanxi, said in a statement that separate police raids there had freed another 251 people. Xinhua news agency later said another 80 had been rescued in Shanxi.

Officials in both provinces said investigations were continuing in a bid to free hundreds more believed to be enslaved.

"It is hard to estimate the number of missing people before the investigation finishes, but there are probably more than 1,000," Dang said.

The scandal has caused alarm among the highest ranks of China's ruling Communist Party, with President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao issuing orders to deal with the situation, the China News Service reported.

However no comments from the two leaders were immediately released.

State television aired disturbing images of abused and emaciated workers living in squalid conditions at a brick factory in the city of Hongtong in Shanxi province.

Workers said many of them tried to escape but most were caught and brought back. Vicious dogs were used to stop workers breaking out.

The revelations have sparked nationwide disgust, and editorials in state newspapers on Friday called for investigations into allegations that local bosses were guilty of collusion.

"How could officials in the area have connived with such audacious and appalling behaviour to allow this situation to arise under their very eyes?" asked the People's Daily, the main mouthpiece for the Communist Party.

One of the brickyards was run by the son of a local Communist Party boss, the nation's main union body said in comments carried in the state press.

The scandal adds to other embarrassing revelations this week about the plight of Chinese workers, including reports that children were being used to make merchandise for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

In another scandal, more than 500 children were found working ultra-long hours for up to six days a week in a light industry factory under a so-called "work-study" program authorised by their school.

-AFP
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200706/s1953097.htm

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So, you think that only China is reprehensible for its crimes or Arabs too? Or, do you think that one justifies the other?

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Sharing information is a good thing, no doubt about it. Yet, I see a huge difference between how members react to what is being told about their countries/fellow-believers. If you give info about US/EU soldiers raping a child, everybody (including US/EU members) are appalled and demand justice for them. If we discuss honour killings, enforced minor-old pervert marriages, Muslims in this site (Alameda in particular) say that info is either a Jewish intelligence manipulation or goes back to 16th century Europe saying it was similar then.

It is not that we don't see flaws in our countries, we've often criticised their policies and some customs. It is this "we're pure as snow" attitude of some members here that worry/disgust us. I don't know what is wrong with admitting that Turkey/Islam have problems that should be solved. If Turks/Muslims don't see it then this world will never be a better place.

I know about that. Also, like I've said before, I have all the right to express my opinion You may bark up every tree saying what you don't like and so can everybody else - it's a public forum

Interesting fact:
Muslims feel they are victims - they have been attacked by the US, Israel and Britain for centuries.

Take every single conflict...Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia, Chechnya and the British Empire to name a few.

Yet.... MORE MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN KILLED BY MUSLIMS than by any conflict with the US, Israel and Britain put together. In fact, more than any Christian country.