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Turkey´s youtube ban
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 03:59 pm |
Global Internet Filtering
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/palfrey/top/bio/
The people of Turkey are facing a stark choice: will they continue to have a mostly free and open Internet, or will they join the two dozen states around the world that filter the content that their citizens see?
Over the past two days, I’ve been here in Turkey to talk about our new book (written by the whole OpenNet Initiative team), called Access Denied. The book describes the growth of Internet filtering around the world, from only about 2 states in 2002 to more than 2 dozen in 2007. I’ve been welcomed by many serious, smart people in Ankara and Istanbul, Turkey, who are grappling with this issue, and to whom I’ve handed over a copy of the new book — the first copies I’ve had my hands on.
This question for Turkey runs deep, it seems. They are on the knife’s edge, between one world and another, just as Istanbul sits, on the Bosporus, at the juncture between East and West. The majority of those states that filter the net extensively lie to its east and south; its neighbors in Europe filter much more selectively (Nazi paraphenalia Germany and France, e.g., and child pornography in northern Europe). We’ll learn a lot from how things turn out here in the months to come.
An open Internet brings with it many wonderful things: access to knowledge, more voices telling more stories from more places, new avenues for free expression and association, global connections between cultures, and massive gains in productivity and innovation. The web 2.0 era, with more people using participatory media, brings with it yet more of these positive things.
Widespread use of the Internet also gives rise to challenging content along with its democratic and economic gains. As Turkey looks ahead toward the day when they join the European Union once and for all, one of the many policy questions on the national agenda is whether and how to filter the Internet.
http://opennet.net/
Berkman Center for Internet & Society
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 04:18 pm |
If that happens Turkey will join these countries of internet blockers:-
(Real progress...... )
• Afghanistan
• Algeria
• Azerbaijan
• Bahrain
• Belarus
• Burma
• China (including Hong Kong)
• Cuba
• Egypt
• Ethiopia
• India
• Iran
• Iraq
• Israel
• Jordan
• Kazakhstan
• Kyrgyzstan
• Libya
• Malaysia
• Moldova
• Morocco
• Nepal
• North Korea
• Oman
• Pakistan
• Saudi Arabia
• Singapore
• South Korea
• Sudan
• Syria
• Tajikistan
• Thailand
• Tunisia
• Ukraine
• United Arab Emirates
• Uzbekistan
• Venezuela
• Vietnam
• Yemen
• Zimbabwe
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:20 pm |
OMG, I am a bit shocked to see some countries on this list!!! EGYPT??? (Canli!!!!), Ukraine???? South Korea????
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:23 pm |
Quoting catwoman: OMG, I am a bit shocked to see some countries on this list!!! EGYPT??? (Canli!!!!), Ukraine???? South Korea???? |
I think in these countries, the youtube is not banned forever, at one time in the past youtube had been banned for a period.
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:27 pm |
Quoting mltm: Quoting catwoman: OMG, I am a bit shocked to see some countries on this list!!! EGYPT??? (Canli!!!!), Ukraine???? South Korea???? |
I think in these countries, the youtube is not banned forever, at one time in the past youtube had been banned for a period. |
Actualy Meltem this is not about YouTube, but about all internet filtering/censorship.
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:30 pm |
doesnt matter they banned or not,there are still a few ways to enter youtube and the other sites
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:31 pm |
Quoting turquoise: doesnt matter they banned or not,there are still a few ways to enter youtube and the other sites |
Well that is fine for YouTube access, but does it not bother you that sites are censored from you?
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:33 pm |
Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:
Well that is fine for YouTube access, but does it not bother you that sites are censored from you? |
yeah it does but we can show that they cant block us
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:35 pm |
Quoting turquoise: yeah it does but we can show that they cant block us |
You rebel!
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:37 pm |
Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Quoting turquoise: yeah it does but we can show that they cant block us |
You rebel! |
yeah thats the speciality of turks
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:39 pm |
Ama... the point is that they don´t just block youtube.. they censor EVERYTHING, some things you don´t even know about!!!
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:40 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Ama... the point is that they don´t just block youtube.. they censor EVERYTHING, some things you don´t even know about!!! |
I suppose you don´t find out about them until you try to access them. Have they censored any porn sites yet Turq?
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:47 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Ama... the point is that they don´t just block youtube.. they censor EVERYTHING, some things you don´t even know about!!! |
i know cat,i know, but i dont really give a sh*t cuz they are not the only ones that dont like us
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:50 pm |
Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:
I suppose you don´t find out about them until you try to access them. Have they censored any porn sites yet Turq? |
i donno cnm,why u asking me? are you afraid of not getting porn access when you come to turkey?
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:51 pm |
Quoting turquoise: i donno cnm,why u asking me? are you afraid of not getting porn access when you come to turkey? |
Youuuuuuuuuuu!
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:52 pm |
Haven´t they banned smoking in public places in Turkey yet?
I wonder how that will go down?
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:52 pm |
Quoting turquoise:
i donno cnm,why u asking me? are you afraid of not getting porn access when you come to turkey? |
hahahaha
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:53 pm |
Quoting catwoman: OMG, I am a bit shocked to see some countries on this list!!! EGYPT??? (Canli!!!!), Ukraine???? South Korea???? |
Well,from what i know,we dont have any internet filtering YET !
But from what i hear,its coming
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:54 pm |
Quoting CANLI:
Well,from what i know,we dont have any internet filtering YET !
But from what i hear,its coming |
Cheer up! Maybe they will filter out my posts!
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:54 pm |
Quoting mltm: Quoting turquoise:
i donno cnm,why u asking me? are you afraid of not getting porn access when you come to turkey? |
hahahaha |
Aenigma!!!!?????????????? You Brutus!
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:55 pm |
Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Cheer up! Maybe they will filter out my posts! |
I doubt they find you so important!
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:55 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Cheer up! Maybe they will filter out my posts! |
I doubt they find you so important! |
Ouhhhhhhh hehehehehe!
STOP IT I am laughing out loud now
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:58 pm |
Quoting turquoise: with a cute face |
Must have been hard for you cnm!
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 07:00 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Cheer up! Maybe they will filter out my posts! |
I doubt they find you so important! |
Actually,i think even if they tried,they would get tiered following her around from this thread to that thread
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 07:04 pm |
Hahahaha,a guy here was self employed and in his own van going to a job and the Police fined him £30 for smoking in the workplace watch out Turq when you use the company car again
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 07:07 pm |
We have an equally silly rule. I work for local government and we had a notice the other day telling us that if we give any other employees a lift in OUR OWN CAR we must not smoke.
There is an easy solution....
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 07:13 pm |
Quoting mylo: Hahahaha,a guy here was self employed and in his own van going to a job and the Police fined him £30 for smoking in the workplace watch out Turq when you use the company car again |
i do smoke everywhere adeyou know things go so slow in turkey actually i should stop smoking though.
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 07:23 pm |
Quoting turquoise: Quoting mylo: Hahahaha,a guy here was self employed and in his own van going to a job and the Police fined him £30 for smoking in the workplace watch out Turq when you use the company car again |
i do smoke everywhere adeyou know things go so slow in turkey actually i should stop smoking though. |
Does even fining people go slow over there? I could light up get a fine in Taksim and have lit another in Bakirkoy before my fine comes through thanks for the advice man
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 07:29 pm |
Quoting mylo:
Does even fining people go slow over there? I could light up get a fine in Taksim and have lit another in Bakirkoy before my fine comes through thanks for the advice man |
you can do anything in tukey if you know the way to do it ade
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 08:27 pm |
what happenes to people during prayer time in the Camii whose cell phones start ringing, will they be fined?
Or polluting the air??
Environmental Concerns in Turkey!!!!! I could hardly breath in the city of Bursa!! What an experience.
Ships sailing in Turkish waters, especially through the straits of Istanbul and the Dardanelles, are controlled for oil spills and waste dumping. A Spanish ship sank in Iskendrun Bay. It is claimed that it had chemical waste harmful to the environment and sea life. So many protests and demonstrations were widely held by different orgainizations so that funds were allocated to remove the ship and its load.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 08:05 pm |
Quoting catwoman: OMG, I am a bit shocked to see some countries on this list!!! EGYPT??? (Canli!!!!), Ukraine???? South Korea???? |
what??/we have u tube here in egypt!!!!!!!i never knew the internet was filtered!!!!
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 08:13 pm |
i think banning smoking is good i hope they do that in the whole world its good for ur health it stops polloution it stops second hand smoking people would have nice smelling breath my uncle smokes A LOT and believe me he always has mints with him same thing with banning alchol i think that would be good for the whole community!!! i mean ppl do crazy things when theyre drunk they could kill they have accidents and so onand drinking gets u diseases and stuff so i hope they ban both!!!!
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 08:21 pm |
Quoting doudi94: i think banning smoking is good i hope they do that in the whole world its good for ur health it stops polloution it stops second hand smoking people would have nice smelling breath my uncle smokes A LOT and believe me he always has mints with him same thing with banning alchol i think that would be good for the whole community!!! i mean ppl do crazy things when theyre drunk they could kill they have accidents and so onand drinking gets u diseases and stuff so i hope they ban both!!!! |
Second hand smoke has been proven not to cause cancer. If people want to smoke let them smoke. If a business owner allows smoking this should be his or her right. If you don´t like it, then simply don´t go there. When the government starts telling business owners how to run there businesses that´s when you should worry. Next you will see the government making helmets a law when driving a car. Why, because it´s good for you it´s safer. Please don´t tell me again what is GOOD for me.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 08:33 pm |
Quoting teaschip: Quoting doudi94: i think banning smoking is good i hope they do that in the whole world its good for ur health it stops polloution it stops second hand smoking people would have nice smelling breath my uncle smokes A LOT and believe me he always has mints with him same thing with banning alchol i think that would be good for the whole community!!! i mean ppl do crazy things when theyre drunk they could kill they have accidents and so onand drinking gets u diseases and stuff so i hope they ban both!!!! |
Second hand smoke has been proven not to cause cancer. If people want to smoke let them smoke. If a business owner allows smoking this should be his or her right. If you don´t like it, then simply don´t go there. When the government starts telling business owners how to run there businesses that´s when you should worry. Next you will see the government making helmets a law when driving a car. Why, because it´s good for you it´s safer. Please don´t tell me again what is GOOD for me. |
fine i didnt say anything im guessing youre a smoker!!and a business owner can do whatever he/she wants!!!im just saying its a good step for the country...
why are u attacking me???
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 08:34 pm |
Quoting teaschip:
Second hand smoke has been proven not to cause cancer. If people want to smoke let them smoke. If a business owner allows smoking this should be his or her right. If you don´t like it, then simply don´t go there. When the government starts telling business owners how to run there businesses that´s when you should worry. Next you will see the government making helmets a law when driving a car. Why, because it´s good for you it´s safer. Please don´t tell me again what is GOOD for me. |
somebody is sensitive about smoking huh?
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 08:38 pm |
Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting teaschip:
Second hand smoke has been proven not to cause cancer. If people want to smoke let them smoke. If a business owner allows smoking this should be his or her right. If you don´t like it, then simply don´t go there. When the government starts telling business owners how to run there businesses that´s when you should worry. Next you will see the government making helmets a law when driving a car. Why, because it´s good for you it´s safer. Please don´t tell me again what is GOOD for me. |
somebody is sensitive about smoking huh? |
No I´m not sensitive about smoking, I´m sensitive about giving the government the right to tell me what´s good for me or not and to enforce laws and fines associated with it. Smoking is just an example among many that the government feels the need to be my protector.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 08:53 pm |
Quoting teaschip: No I´m not sensitive about smoking, I´m sensitive about giving the government the right to tell me what´s good for me or not and to enforce laws and fines associated with it. Smoking is just an example among many that the government feels the need to be my protector. |
Clearly stated!!!
:alcholics:
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 08:58 pm |
why do u see the goverment is your protector when it comes to war and stuff but its not when it comes to your healtha nd other things do u only us ethe goverment when u need it???
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 09:02 pm |
Quoting doudi94: why do u see the goverment is your protector when it comes to war and stuff but its not when it comes to your healtha nd other things do u only us ethe goverment when u need it??? |
I don´t see our government as a protector. It´s our soldiers that volunteer to go to war.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 09:09 pm |
i didnt know about that but your goverment still does a lot of things for u but just leave me out of this goverment thing
im sorry ok???
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 09:16 pm |
Quoting doudi94: i didnt know about that but your goverment still does a lot of things for u but just leave me out of this goverment thing
im sorry ok??? |
You don´t have anything to be sorry about, and leaving you out of this discussion..hmm as I recall you asked the questions. Anyhow, my government does alot of things for me? Ok if you say so..I guess it could be worse compared to other countries on the bright side of things.
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 03:30 pm |
I cannot access youtube as it´s still banned, but I can access it through a site called www.ktunnel.com, but I tried to sign in to access my favourites but I cannot. Does any of you know how to do this? Or it´s not possible at all?
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 08:44 pm |
I cannot access youtube as it´s still banned, but I can access it through a site called www.ktunnel.com, but I tried to sign in to access my favourites but I cannot. Does any of you know how to do this? Or it´s not possible at all?
This program completly solves the problem:
Youtube Jacker
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 08:53 pm |
A program and a problem that both should not excist....
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 10:55 pm |
really mltm ??!!! you can´t access youtube, I´m in one of the censoring state and I can access youtube, that´s weird.....
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14 Aug 2008 Thu 11:05 pm |
Wow! Thank you so much. How does it work? It really solves as there´s no ban.
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 09:14 pm |
If that happens Turkey will join these countries of internet blockers:- (Real progress...... ) • Afghanistan • Algeria • Azerbaijan • Bahrain • Belarus • Burma • China (including Hong Kong) • Cuba • Egypt • Ethiopia • India • Iran • Iraq • Israel • Jordan • Kazakhstan • Kyrgyzstan • Libya • Malaysia • Moldova • Morocco • Nepal • North Korea • Oman • Pakistan • Saudi Arabia • Singapore • South Korea • Sudan • Syria • Tajikistan • Thailand • Tunisia • Ukraine • United Arab Emirates • Uzbekistan • Venezuela • Vietnam • Yemen • Zimbabwe
I´m Tunisian, and YouTube has been banned for a while now, along with DailyMotion. When I try to enter the site, I get a false 404 Error signal. Which means, the webpage is banned.
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 09:19 pm |
I´m Tunisian, and YouTube has been banned for a while now, along with DailyMotion. When I try to enter the site, I get a false 404 Error signal. Which means, the webpage is banned.
wow, poor you, egypts on the list but i go on you tube almost everyday!!! so how come it happens in tunisia and not here??
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 11:08 pm |
wow, poor you, egypts on the list but i go on you tube almost everyday!!! so how come it happens in tunisia and not here??
The list is of countries which censor internet, not just youtube. There may be other sites that are banned in your country.
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 11:18 pm |
The list is of countries which censor internet, not just youtube. There may be other sites that are banned in your country.
Question: when a country bans sites, does that in your opinion mean that it is a sign of dictatorship? Because then I live in a dictatorial country as well.....
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 11:32 pm |
Question: when a country bans sites, does that in your opinion mean that it is a sign of dictatorship? Because then I live in a dictatorial country as well.....
If youre talking about Egypt yeah its a dicatorial country, but not because of the ban, and i dont think that the sites are banned but i htink its filtered, only,but i think banning a site is kind of dictatorial, coz they could ban a lot of sites that could influence ppl´s opinions, that means theyre choosing for them how to think and thats dictatorial!!
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15 Aug 2008 Fri 11:40 pm |
If youre talking about Egypt yeah its a dicatorial country, but not because of the ban, and i dont think that the sites are banned but i htink its filtered, only,but i think banning a site is kind of dictatorial, coz they could ban a lot of sites that could influence ppl´s opinions, that means theyre choosing for them how to think and thats dictatorial!!
Yes, well said Doudi!
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 12:27 am |
The list is of countries which censor internet, not just youtube. There may be other sites that are banned in your country.
Sometimes I wish some of this rubbish was banned in Scotland as well.
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 01:42 am |
Sometimes I wish some of this rubbish was banned in Scotland as well.
I believe you can very easily move to a country that censors internet.
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:15 am |
Yes, well said Doudi!
Yes, well said Doudi. Of course there are also web sites that censor their members, thus influencing the course a thread takes, which in turn influences the readers of the threads.
btw Catwoman, where did Alameda´s post disappear to? It was on page 10 of the thread "Why criticism of Islam is a necessity". It wasn´t insulting or disrespectful, but very witty
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 05:56 am |
btw Catwoman, where did Alameda´s post disappear to? It was on page 10 of the thread "Why criticism of Islam is a necessity". It wasn´t insulting or disrespectful, but very witty
I am sure you´re not that against censorship Peacetrain, so you should be least worried. You know many other witty posts used to be written in this forum, but they didn´t make you laugh so had to be removed.
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 09:47 am |
I am sure you´re not that against censorship Peacetrain, so you should be least worried. You know many other witty posts used to be written in this forum, but they didn´t make you laugh so had to be removed.
None of your personal remarks answers my question, What happened to Alameda´s post and why was it removed?
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 12:47 pm |
None of your personal remarks answers my question, What happened to Alameda´s post and why was it removed?
My post perfectly answers your question. PM me if you need more information.
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 02:24 pm |
My post perfectly answers your question. PM me if you need more information.
OK, I understand your comment.
How was the content of her post different to similar comments already made by others on that thread? Is this a case of selective censorship?
Seems someone threw their toys out of their pram and had the post deleted.
I don´t feel the need to pm you as any explanation you have would not reveal any offensiveness by Alameda, so would be safe for the eyes of members.
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 02:58 pm |
OK, I understand your comment.
How was the content of her post different to similar comments already made by others on that thread? Is this a case of selective censorship?
Seems someone threw their toys out of their pram and had the post deleted.
I don´t feel the need to pm you as any explanation you have would not reveal any offensiveness by Alameda, so would be safe for the eyes of members.
Peacetrain, you want to be a mod and see for a couple minutes what it´s like to be on this side? Maybe you just need to swallow a chill-pill.
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:12 pm |
Peacetrain, you want to be a mod and see for a couple minutes what it´s like to be on this side?
This has to be the most comical post ever.
Nobody forced you to be a mod and, of course, you are free to resign at any time
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:16 pm |
This has to be the most comical post ever.
Nobody forced you to be a mod and, of course, you are free to resign at any time
as you have no idea whether I was forced or not, you have no authority to give me advice on this.
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:20 pm |
as you have no idea whether I was forced or not, you have no authority to give me advice on this.
Even more comical than your last post
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:22 pm |
Even more comical than your last post
That´s all?
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:40 pm |
İ dont mind some snow storm or something to chill those both thread a bit
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 03:42 pm |
yep
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 04:25 pm |
Girls! Girls!! Call it a draw for now!!
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 05:24 pm |
Why LIR? I wanted just to ask where front seat tickets are sold.....
Girls! Girls!! Call it a draw for now!!
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16 Aug 2008 Sat 09:09 pm |
Why LIR? I wanted just to ask where front seat tickets are sold.....
Girls! Girls!! Call it a draw for now!!
Tickets can be obtained from the TC Box Office, a.k.a. Catwoman´s pm box
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17 Aug 2008 Sun 10:51 am |
Tickets can be obtained from the TC Box Office, a.k.a. Catwoman´s pm box
Awww.........I see the "non-gang" gang is back!!!
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17 Aug 2008 Sun 11:13 am |
Awww.........I see the "non-gang" gang is back!!!
where´s the beer and popcorn???
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17 Aug 2008 Sun 11:25 am |
where´s the beer and popcorn???
I thought you were selling that!
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17 Aug 2008 Sun 11:27 am |
I thought you were selling that!
darn it .. you are right!! it was my turn to do the beer and popcorn providing!!! runnin to the beer store now!!
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17 Aug 2008 Sun 11:29 am |
Awww.........I see the "non-gang" gang is back!!!
You´re sooooooo good at what you do
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17 Aug 2008 Sun 11:31 am |
where´s the beer and popcorn???
Can I join in? Popcorn is fine for me but I´ll have raspberry leaf tea instead of beer. I love those self-righteous posts calling for justice and being desperate at gaining attention by b*tching around
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17 Aug 2008 Sun 11:34 am |
Can I join in? Popcorn is fine for me but I´ll have raspberry leaf tea instead of beer. I love those self-righteous posts calling for justice and being desperate at gaining attention by b*tching around
Yeah, no beer for you (yet) - you´ll have to wait a few weeks. And.... hosçakal in the popcorn-gang. (BTW Leelu, only salted for me, sweet popcorn is disgusting.)
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17 Aug 2008 Sun 12:04 pm |
I love those self-righteous posts . . . being desperate at gaining attention by b*tching around
Lucky for you there´s plenty of it here and it goes so well with raspberry leaf tea. Enjoy!
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18 Aug 2008 Mon 01:48 pm |
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30 Aug 2008 Sat 12:46 pm |
I thought the ban was supposed to have been lifted? I STILL can´t get into YouTube except by ktunnel.
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