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40.       lady in red
6947 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 02:00 am

 

Quoting armegon

 Arrested by police?? and judged by law court?? its impossible, you refering to some parts of İstanbul where bigots are living...

 

 I said - I don´t know exactly - I´ll see if I can find the thread .  I just mentioned it because that was maybe where Teaship got this information from.

41.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 02:04 am

 

Quoting lady in red

 I said - I don´t know exactly - I´ll see if I can find the thread .  I just mentioned it because that was maybe where Teaship got this information from.

 

Thats a good generalisation anyway that "women get arrested because of wearing mini-skirt", how many? only one (i also doubt that)

42.       lady in red
6947 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 02:17 am

Quoting lady in red

 I said - I don´t know exactly - I´ll see if I can find the thread .  I just mentioned it because that was maybe where Teaship got this information from.

 

 

Quoting armegon

Thats a good generalisation anyway that "women get arrested because of wearing mini-skirt", how many? only one (i also doubt that)

 

I give up looking!!  It could have been anywhere - the way threads go off topic on here it could have been on a Turkish Cookery thread!!  A Turkish friend did tell me about the area I am thinking of though - but its late and I´m tired - I´ll ask him tomorrow and get back to you

BTW - there was that incident of the woman on the Galata Bridge arrested for wearing a low cut top!!! (also mentioned on a thread somewhere here)

 

Anyway I´ll say goodnight for now - iyi geceler

43.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 02:47 am

 dont waste ur time, i remembered the Galata bridge incident, she is not arrested for wearing low cut top, she is arrested because of indecent exposure, and people complained about this, also she introduced herself as police .  Personally i think this has not to be a problem but during the government of AKP, we begin to hear news like this...

Quoting lady in red

Quoting lady in red

 I said - I don´t know exactly - I´ll see if I can find the thread .  I just mentioned it because that was maybe where Teaship got this information from.

 

I give up looking!!  It could have been anywhere - the way threads go off topic on here it could have been on a Turkish Cookery thread!!  A Turkish friend did tell me about the area I am thinking of though - but its late and I´m tired - I´ll ask him tomorrow and get back to you

BTW - there was that incident of the woman on the Galata Bridge arrested for wearing a low cut top!!! (also mentioned on a thread somewhere here)

 

Anyway I´ll say goodnight for now - iyi geceler

 

 

44.       CANLI
5084 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 02:47 am

 

Quoting zhang ziyi

A big faux pais!

It is a bit strange that you haven´t picked up certain habbits, rules of even say codex of commenting here.

When women from Middle East (such as Canli or doudi) give their opinions it would be ideal if you agree with them and don´t criticize their countries, cultures and religious actions.

Pointing out frustraiting facts equals to insulting and offending.

 

 Awwwww,i didnt know you have missed me that much ZZ {#lang_emotions_shy}

 

İ agree with you ´´mmm,its a first {#lang_emotions_confused},must because i have felt the LOVE ´´lol

Yes,its better if you agree with us,so you save yourself long debats and then you find out that we are right

For 2 reasons actually,first because we are women,and women always right...but you already knew that didnt you ?! lol

Second,because....well...we are right

 

But sure you can criticize if you like,anytime too...but that does mean you are right  

45.       CANLI
5084 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 02:51 am

 

Quoting zhang ziyi

 

 

(Learn, Teaschip, )

 

 Now,i wish you have learnt something yourself

 

mmmm,i wonder,if there were few of us here on TLC not just me and doudi...what would you do ?!

And there are about 30,or 35 million more ´Egyptian women´ here in Egypt...scary huh ?!{#lang_emotions_scared}lol

 

lollllll omg its AMAZİNG how you can hate ´we can make it lighter and say dislike if you wish ´ someone or some people you dont even know !

 

Ps: sry guys for interrupting i just wanted to salute zz back,zz wasnt around for a while,STİLL seems zz never forgot me {#lang_emotions_cool} 

46.       doudi94
845 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 02:56 am

I think i found teh article

Could there be Islamic police in Turkey - that would bring them in line with other Arab and Islamic states where Islamic police are sent out to monitor women´s dress. This woman was given a suspended prison sentence - yet the fisherman who were supposed to have objected are no where to be seen and the regulars think the whole thing is nonsense.

About 70 Turkish women have protested in Istanbul after a court found a woman guilty of exhibitionism for fishing in what was termed "improper clothing".

The protesters marched across the iconic Galata Bridge chanting slogans.

"It´s not exhibitionism, it´s male abuse!" and "State, take your hands off my body!" they cried.

Rows of bemused fishermen watched as they passed - many were wearing strappy tops, flimsy sun-dresses with plunging necklines, or shorts.

The incident they were protesting about occurred last summer, on the same bridge, when men complained that the woman´s clothing was "improper."

Turkish newspapers quote court documents as saying she was wearing a lightweight outfit like a nightdress, which blew up in the wind.

Last week a judge upheld the men´s complaints.

 

 

http://islamizationwatch.blogspot.com/2008/07/turkish-women-attack-islamic-clothing.html

thats the rest of it

another link

http://islamizationwatch.blogspot.com/2008/07/turkish-women-attack-islamic-clothing.html

47.       doudi94
845 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 03:11 am

heres another side of teh story, just to be fair:

Today, in Turkey, we take pride in the higher percentage and the qualifications of our women in science, in the business sector and, as our theme suggests, in engineering as compared to other countries. Currently, the rate of women taking university staff positions is 36 percent and the rate of women professors is 25 percent. A total of 31 percent of all architects, 29 percent of all doctors and surgeons and 26 percent of all lawyers are women. The Scientific and Technical Research Council of Turkey, for example, which is the leading institution to develop scientific and technological policies in Turkey is headed by a distinguished lady.

  None of these could be possible without the “women´s revolution” which I mentioned earlier. If we consider the centuries-long discrimination, what Turkish women could achieve in just 85 years of the Republic, in my opinion,  is a clear sign that they are as much if not more capable than men in any area we can name. I am not saying this as a compliment but because I truly believe in it.

  In fact, it is because of this strong conviction that, in 1993 before I was elected as president, I wholeheartedly wanted to hand over my place as head of my political party, to a lady, who later became the first woman prime minister of Turkey.  Turkey is also one of the first countries which had a woman as president of its Constitutional Court.

  But, despite all these achievements, we must also admit that there is still a long way to go to fill the huge gap in terms of gender equality. There are still women who suffer from violence, poverty and discrimination. The literacy rate for example, has still not reached the desired level. There is still also a need to change the mindset on this issue.

48.       ceylanOANA
45 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 03:20 am

hello everybody,

 

I lived here long enough to tell you that in Mersin, even my mother in law when she was young could wear mini skirt....

n her mom never wore a veil...so..

i think women have problems of gender discrimination in Eastern parts of Turkey...

or in non educated families...

Anyway, it is also true that here women have to ask permission of their fathers, brothers or husbands sometimes to do different things, which are normal to do without even telling in European countries..

for example, give private lessons to a man...if u are a teacher...i can tell u that 99 percent of men will say a big NO

 

49.       doudi94
845 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 04:12 am

 

Quoting ceylanOANA

hello everybody,

 

I lived here long enough to tell you that in Mersin, even my mother in law when she was young could wear mini skirt....

n her mom never wore a veil...so..

i think women have problems of gender discrimination in Eastern parts of Turkey...

or in non educated families...

Anyway, it is also true that here women have to ask permission of their fathers, brothers or husbands sometimes to do different things, which are normal to do without even telling in European countries..

for example, give private lessons to a man...if u are a teacher...i can tell u that 99 percent of men will say a big NO

This is just the kind of stuff i wa s talkin about!!thank you ceylan, really!!!, Did  anybidy ever see the old egyptian movies?u know "black and white?" People could wear whatever they wanted, and everybody ahs their own choice!!!! I wear whatever i want, because ts my choice, my mom wears a veil, but her mom doesnt, my grandma goes and changes her hair color every month, and shes always at teh koiffeur lol

so U cant ay anything baout illeterate or unfree women in middle eastern countries, like i was shocked to see one post on the  Yahoo answers thing, a girl said she was going on vacation to egypt and wondered if she wore a short skirt if shed get arrested (she also wondered what would happen to her if she stole a mummy!) because she heard a lot of news about ppl getting arrested in islamic countries! Again the media only transmits what it wants too, and i bet you there area million others like her too!!But that teacher thing is weird, ive never seen anything like it before, but maybe in most countries"middle eastern" the rural areas are un educated and still live backwards but a lot of people are changing that, like that 19-year old shpard yuo posted about once, and that lady that sold a cow to get a PC, we all ahve to start somewhere!!And these ppla re only examples, i bet there are a millipn others too, i like it when is ee both sides, both perspecives, not only a person who says i think this and i think that and thats the only thing thats right and im right and youre wrong!!!!! PLZ ppl!!!!

 

50.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 08:56 am

Quote: Doudi94

Again the media only transmits what it wants too,

Exactly right!  They want to make money and they want to manipulate the masses.  Sensationalism is often their intention.  Ownership of the publication is also a factor, because that can determine the political stance of a newspaper for example. This is why, many months ago, I posed the questions here:

 

"Which  Turkish newspapers are reputable? Whiat is the political stance of some of the newspapers? " 

 

As a foreigner I wanted to read both sides of the Turkish news.

 

Then there are the many documentaries, hours of footage condensed into 30 or 60 minutes.  I´d be more interested in what´s on the cutting room floor, not what I´m being fed.

 

Individuals can and do seek redress in the law courts, often with success.  Unfortunately this doesn´t appear to be an option for sectors of society who receive poor treatment at the hands of the press/media.  In England there are sometimes retractions printed in newspapers as a result of a complaint, although they almost never make the front page, but a few centimetres somewhere in the middle pages.  There are also TV watchdogs and people can lodge complaints, the results of which are broadcast (in the we hours often).  I guess it´s a start.

 

Of course there is good practice out there but sensationalism seems to be prevalent (I´m not only referring to Turkey btw).

 

 

 

 

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