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Gender Equality in Turkey
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60.       vineyards
1954 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 11:44 pm

I don´t know how relevant this is but we can´t talk about gender equality here in TC either. Remember that all the active mods are females.  One might claim that sex has never been a factor with regard to moderator selections. Others may add males were also given chances in the past too. If your view is one of a sexist regardless of what kind, you will inevitably become irritated by the fact that you are a member of a community run by females. You see the world the way you want to see it.

 

Microsoft introduced us to a world of icons that put those once not-so-easy-to-master tasks just a click away.   Sadly, in real life too, we often resort to those magical icons e.g. The West, The East, Islam, Al Qaeda and terror. Use one of these before any concept and it instantly becomes crystal clear.  The East means no gender equality, oppression, malice, igorance and yes terrorism. Anything that is West by definition is probably too early for the East and is unexpected...

 

Last summer, I listened to a Greek guy in Athens who put his hand on my shoulder to give me an authoritative description of my country with such seriousness that almost compelled to question my own knowledge about it. That guy had not even been to Turkey. In fact, he didn´t have to; he had all the necessary stereotypes.

 

We are living in a world which is divided into camps. Everyone attempts to understand one another in their own cultural terms.

 

Today, the problem of women is a universal one. It is not specific to a particular religion or culture. According to the Bible, the order of the creatures is as follows : Holy trinity, angels, males, females, animals, plants and chaos. The West still believes in this book. All the institutions are still either directly or indirectly based on or influenced by it. When a child is born, when people are getting married they still follow the rules of a system that turns around a male God, a male prophet, male pontiffs and male rulers. While this may seem insignificant to you this is actually the reason why the US has still never had a female President. The religion has penetrated into society so deeply that it is not possible to get around it. Religions tend to demonize other faith systems; again the hatred it aroused among people is still so alive.

 

It goes without saying whatever I said about the Christian faith is also true for Islam.

 

61.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 11:58 pm

Love your post Vineyards! 

62.       libralady
5152 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 11:58 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

I don´t know how relevant this is but we can´t talk about gender equality here in TC either. Remember that all the active mods are females.  One might claim that sex has never been a factor with regard to moderator selections. Others may add males mods were also given chances in the past too. If your view is one of a sexist regardless of what kind, you will inevitably become irritated by the fact that you are a member of a community run by females. You see the world the way you want to see it.

 

cut

 

 Uhmm right you are!  the gender mix with mods, in fact the whole site is a little female orientated!  Is that anything to do the with scientific "fact" that women use more words in conversation than men?  OK, Ok I am dodging the knives {#lang_emotions_lol}

63.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Aug 2008 Fri 12:10 am

Yes we have Virginia Woolf don´t we?

64.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 29 Aug 2008 Fri 01:31 am

 

Quoting vineyards

Yes we have Virginia Woolf don´t we?

 

Thank you. I will not contribute to this site anymore. I am thinking of contributing to another Turkish language forum at http://29984.rapidforum.com/ from now on...

 

I will remain a passive user of this site. I will not post anymore. I am also resigning as a mod.

 

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_29320

65.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 29 Aug 2008 Fri 02:07 am

It´s called changing your mind zhang.  People do it all the time.

66.       Norae
27 posts
 29 Aug 2008 Fri 04:40 am

Quoting Vineyards:

We are living in a world which is divided into camps. Everyone attempts to understand one another in their own cultural terms.

 

Today, the problem of women is a universal one. It is not specific to a particular religion or culture. According to the Bible, the order of the creatures is as follows : Holy trinity, angels, males, females, animals, plants and chaos. The West still believes in this book. All the institutions are still either directly or indirectly based or influenced by it. When a child is born, when people are getting married they still follow the rules of a system that turns around a male God, a male prophet, male pontiffs and male rulers. While this may seem insignificant to you this is actually the reason why the US has still never had a female President. The religion has penetrated into society so deeply that it is not possible to get around it. Religions tend to demonize other faith systems; again the hatred it aroused among people is still so alive.

 

It goes without saying whatever I said about the Christian faith is also true for Islam.

 

With that you hit the nail on the head. So very very true.

67.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Aug 2008 Fri 06:39 am

 

Quoting zhang ziyi

Thank you. I will not contribute to this site anymore. I am thinking of contributing to another Turkish language forum at http://29984.rapidforum.com/ from now on...

 

I will remain a passive user of this site. I will not post anymore. I am also resigning as a mod.

 

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_29320

 

Aha,do I owe you anything for this extra publicity?

 

 

68.       bydand
755 posts
 29 Aug 2008 Fri 11:05 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 Uhmm right you are!  the gender mix with mods, in fact the whole site is a little female orientated!  Is that anything to do the with scientific "fact" that women use more words in conversation than men?  OK, Ok I am dodging the knives {#lang_emotions_lol}

 

 {#lang_emotions_wtf} Good heavens! I almost choked on my malt when I read this post by LL. TC female oriented indeed{#lang_emotions_noway}  Catwoman would never stand for it{#lang_emotions_confused}

69.       gencturk
326 posts
 30 Aug 2008 Sat 01:22 am

Güler Sabancı Turkey´s most powerful woman again

Güler Sabancı

Sabancı Holding Chairman Güler Sabancı has been named Turkey´s most powerful woman for the third time in a row on the Forbes 2008 list of the top 100 women based on career, economic impact and media coverage.

70.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 30 Aug 2008 Sat 02:40 am

Women Pushing for Increased Representation in Turkey

Seventy years ago, Turkey was one of the first countries to give women the vote. Seven decades later, there is only one woman in Turkey´s 20-member parliament. From Istanbul, Dorian Jones reports on a new initiative to build women´s political power.

Didem Engin is not your typical Turkish politician. For one thing Engin is only 30 years old. She is also a woman.

Engin says the days of women having only five percent of the seats in parliament have to end.

"Once we are going to have more and more women in parliament, I believe the rights of the women have to be much more discussed in the parliament," siad Engin.

Kader, a non-partisan group, wants to put more women in parliament. Nuket Sirman is one of the founders of Kader. She says the members of the organization came up with what they think is a winning slogan to promote their cause.

"We took out mustaches and stuck them on our faces, and the slogan was, is a mustache necessary, in other words do you have to be a man to go into parliament," said Sirman.

Kader took the idea a step further. The group persuaded many of Turkey´s most powerful women, including pop stars and business leaders, to don mustaches, to highlight the male domination of parliament. The media ran with the story. Soon Turks were seeing famous women wearing mustaches on television and in newspapers and magazines. Sirman says the publicity campaign has struck a chord.

"For the first time in the elections you had huge numbers of women, going to political parties and asking to become candidates," said Sirman. "Of course this is very very difficult because most political parties demand enormous sums of money from candidates and, of course, women are not the richest people in this country. So that is a very big problem."

And, it is not the only problem. All Turkish party leaders are men. It has been difficult for women to be taken seriously. One exception may be Neval Sevindi. She is first on her party´s list of candidates in Istanbul. Sevendi says her position has raised eyebrows among her male colleagues.

"When are politicians inside our party, look at me, oh you are women," said Sevindi. "How you get first [laughs] and I have to be strong, but I don´t want to change my women identity because I want to show new role model."

The coffee shop is one of Turkey´s male domain´s. It is traditionally a place where men go to escape their wives and enjoy a game of dominos or cards. But the men here say they support female candidates. Taxi driver Metin Demir says he is disappointed few women are running for office. this year.

He says the most of his countrymen support equality. But, he says women must work hard to see it becomes a reality

During her campaign, Didem Engin has met a lot of Turkish men, who share the opinion of that taxi driver. In fact, Engin thinks people are ahead of the politicians when it comes to women having power.

"I believe that there is much more and more role for the leaders of the party to support women and bring them to the parliament, because Turkish society likes to see women acting," saidn Engin. "We had a women prime minister. When we are talking to people in the street, they really want to see women and young persons, so I believe Turkish society is really supporting women."

This Sunday´s election appears likely to justify Engin´s optimism, as political analylsts are predicting that the next parliament could see a near tripling of women deputies. Advocates of Turkish women´s rights hope that this will pave the way to their voices being increasingly heard in Turkish politics.

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2007-07/2007-07-16-voa34.cfm?

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