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1.       Trudy
7887 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 08:41 pm

I had a look at the lessons but I couldn´t figure out where to put the ´değil´ part in sentences like these:

 

My sweetheart - Canım.
You are so beautiful - Çok güzelsin.

 

Is that:

 

canım değilim

pek güzelsin değilsin

 

Anyone please?

2.       Nisreen
1413 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 09:23 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

I had a look at the lessons but I couldn´t figure out where to put the ´değil´ part in sentences like these:

 

My sweetheart - Canım.
You are so beautiful - Çok güzelsin.

 

Is that:

 

canım değilim

pek güzelsin değilsin

 

Anyone please?

 

 canım -my dear,darling

You are so beautiful - Çok güzelsin

you are not beautiful - sen guzel degilsin

canım degildir- she isn´t my dear

3.       Trudy
7887 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 09:32 pm

 

Quoting Nisreen

 canım -my dear,darling

canım degildir- she isn´t my dear

 

 Thanks Nisreen, but what is the negative of my first sentence? (You are not my darling/dear)

 

4.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 09:34 pm

Canim değilsin

5.       Nisreen
1413 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 09:34 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 Thanks Nisreen, but what is the negative of my first sentence? (You are not my darling/dear)

 

 the negative is değil ( canim means my darling or my dear ,canim degilsin you are not my dear)(değil not )(sin you )so değilsin means you are not

hope you got it

6.       Trudy
7887 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 09:38 pm

 

Quoting Nisreen

 the negative is değil ( canim means my darling or my dear ,canim degilsin you are not my dear)(değil not )(sin you )so değilsin means you are not

hope you got it

 

Yes, I got it, I just didn´t know where to put the -sin/-im etc, just after değil or as well after the noun. It is clear now. And I asked again because you answered me with ´she´s not...´

 

And before I forget: Thanks again.

7.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 09:49 pm

Simple forms to apply them.

 

Olumlu...affirmative:

ad/sıfat ´nouns/adjectives´ + kişi eki (´y´Im,sIn,-,´y´Iz,sInIz,lAr )

 

Güzelim.....i am beautiful

Güzelsin

Güzel

Güzeliz

Güzelsiniz

Güzel / güzeller ´both are correct´

 

Olumsuz...negative:

ad/sıfat  değil + kişi eki

 

Güzel değilim.....i am not beautiful

Güzel değilsin

Güzel değil

Güzel değiliz

Güzel değilsiniz

Güzel değiller

 

Olumlu Soru... question:

ad/sıfat mI + kişi eki ?

 

Güzel miyim?....am i beautiful ?

Güzel misin?

Güzel mi?

Güzel miyiz?

Güzel misiniz?

Güzel mi ? / Güzeller mi ?

 

Olumsuz Soru...questions with nagative:

ad/sıfat değil  mi +kişi eki?

 

Güzel değil miyim?.....am i not beautiful ?

Güzel değil misin?

Güzel değil mi?

Güzel değil miyiz?

Güzel değil misiniz?

Güzel değiller mi?

8.       Trudy
7887 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 10:03 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

Simple forms to apply them.

 

Güzelim

Güzel değilim

Güzel miyim?

Güzel değil miyim?

 

Simpel? Sorry, your explanation I find confusing with the olum-parts. Is it correct that the four sentences I quoted mean: I am beautiful, I am not beautiful, am I beautiful? and am I not beautiful? In that case I understand them.

9.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 10:06 pm

Yes,right

İ will add the translation beside them

10.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 10:11 pm

What confuses me why the difference with onlar ...lar

 

Güzeller mi?

Güzel değiller mi?

11.       mltm
3690 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 10:28 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

What confuses me why the difference with onlar ...lar

 

Güzeller mi?

Güzel değiller mi?

 

 I didn´t get what confuses you here CANLI.

12.       suzan ahmet
193 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 10:37 pm

yes i understan u CANLI me too have the same q

pleas let me make it more clear

we mean in ben for ex:

u put (mi) between  değil and im

and the same in the rest except onlar?

why?

13.       mltm
3690 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 10:43 pm

 

Quoting suzan ahmet

yes i understan u CANLI me too have the same q

pleas let me make it more clear

we mean in ben for ex:

u put (mi) between  değil and im

and the same in the rest except onlar?

why?

 

 I hope I undestood it correctly, the reason is probably because of the difference between the suffixes. "ler" and "-im, -sin, -iz, -siniz" suffixes are not the same type of suffixes. "-ler" is a plural suffix, and the others are personal suffixes (or possessive). "Onlar" and "o" do not take personal suffixes, words for these are in the non suffix forms. -ler is added for "onlar" just to make the nouns plural. I hope I gave a right explanation.

14.       suzan ahmet
193 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 10:48 pm

 

Quoting mltm

 I hope I undestood it correctly, the reason is probably because of the difference between the suffixes. "ler" and "-im, -sin, -iz, -siniz" suffixes are not the same type of suffixes. "-ler" is a plural suffix, and the others are personal suffixes (or possessive). "Onlar" and "o" do not take personal suffixes, words for these are in the non suffix forms. -ler is added for "onlar" just to make the nouns plural. I hope I gave a right explanation.

 

 yes  that was so clear

thank u so much

15.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 11:30 pm

 

Quoting mltm

 I hope I undestood it correctly, the reason is probably because of the difference between the suffixes. "ler" and "-im, -sin, -iz, -siniz" suffixes are not the same type of suffixes. "-ler" is a plural suffix, and the others are personal suffixes (or possessive). "Onlar" and "o" do not take personal suffixes, words for these are in the non suffix forms. -ler is added for "onlar" just to make the nouns plural. I hope I gave a right explanation.

 

 Yes mltm,thats what i meant

İ never thought about it this way,i thought its another suffix ´personal´ takes the same form of the plural lAr

Thanks

İ dare to think then,onlar is also the plural of o then !

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