trust you to pick 6 and 9 to highlight!!!

why do they do that!!

Safety measures 

 Not sure if this is strictly true....

hahahahahahahahahaaaa

ditto

In cases of men of the type ´a-six-pack-under-the-T-shirt´ I try very, very hard NOT to picture them naked....

You´re an exception, you sapik!

 Maybe lesluv and I should form a new club

 the sapik soriety

 The SS?

 your new uniform

 Yes I can see that would have "sapik potential" !

but please, it´s merely gutter mind at work

 definately!!!

but uniforms can stay

Its not always so greeat to be a girl!

Sometimes i wish i was a boy! theyre so stupud and think of nothing and dont have not one care in the world!

Why does my brother have like a 2 am curfew and i ahve like aN 11 OR 12! (UNLESS IM WITH HIM!)

you know they say in arabic al majaneen be na3eem means the crazy people are in bliss

so truee!!!!

Even if my curfew was 9:30 I would still not want to be a guy

Sorry

No elaboration can change my mind  

 although i had strict upbringing and loathed the double standards that existed between me and my three brothers; i would never ever wish to be a man but then i live in a country where I am treated as an equal...... the story my be different if i lived elsewhere

It depends on my mood!

Now i feel like being a guy.. but maybe  aftre 5 minutes.... U never know!!!

But there are also lots of bad things about being a guy tasht fro sure!

But we go thorugh soo much! The problem is we have feelings, ahd they dont! I feel like theyre always one mood all the time, and right now i dont wanna feel anytyhing lol! actually no lol, its beconme kinda automatice for me to say lol, even in regular life i just say lol, lol!

*sigh* here we go again... but thos time i wont says anything! Im rellay not int he mood for anythign now!

.............................. 

I agree...it seems much simpler to be a guy..

 Nah, only when there is no toilet/cafe/shop etc available but just a tree or something...

 But just think no monthly episodes, hotflashes, insomnia either.....and most importantly not having to wear a bra!

IMAGINE!!!!!!!

*sigh* but what does insomnia have to do with anyhting?

 I´m not sure...I haven´t experienced it yet.  But apparently this can be one of the side effects when you go through the change.

You mean the Change

Adam is talking to God

God why did you create Eve so smooth and soft?

god-"to make u want her"

Adam-"and why did you create her so attractive?"

God-to make you want her

Adam

"but why u created her so stupid?

God-to make her want YOU!!!!

Thank u God!!!!!

For keeping Eve busy somewhere?

If she heard this conversation....

Being male - I have never understood it either!!!

BTW.....the only time I do so is if my underwear is not providing sufficient support in which case it is not a case of ´checking´ - just a case of ´adjusting......

 It was unnecessary for you to post your "thoughts" on women Cynicmistic because you have already shown us what you feel about them in your posts.

I found it very interesting that when Femme made a joke about your photographs,  it sparked off an onslaught of derogatory sexual posts by you.  Perhaps you dont realise it but men who use this way of dealing with conflict with women fit the psychological profile of rapists and wife beaters.  I realise that much of your hatred is cultural but it can also occur when boys are forced to stop showing affection to their mothers at an early age and "be a man".

The women (including Meltem) who thought your posts funny perpetuate this misogyny and help confirm your narrow minded view that women are merely sexual objects who should not step out of line.  The ones who object you call "prudes".

Haha again you made me laugh aenigma.Your observations are quiete shallow.

And Where´s your sense of humour?

Everyone has different values, and points of views.

In my point of view his such attack on femmeous was funny.

It was like Ali G commenting on our female Borat!

Yet it didn´t change the fact that they should get deleted.

I don´t care your negative comments about me. As I see your insight lacks depth.  Some people need to make others seem immoral to feel more moral.

 Sorry if you find posts where someone calls another´s genitals as stinking like fish (just because she dared hurt his pride) then you have a strange sense of humour Meltem.  It has nothing to do with defending Femmeous (who is more than capable of doing that herself) and if she wanted to describe Cynicmistics penis in the same way I would object also.

You can take the girl out of Turkey, but you can´t take Turkey out of the girl...

  now YOU made me laugh!

If you want, do not ridicule yourself more aenigma.

His saying this was funny, but did I say I approved it?

Yet, it disgusts me when you say all these.

 sorry, canim, i wasnt offended by chipmunk at all. would you get offended if he told you the same? he is just a little boy. i think he has never smelt the rotten fish. he just barks at anyone.

he is not a problem to me. my problem is libra, alameda, canli who were happy out of his rude comments.

 Yes I saw that you were not offended. However, many women are offended when this kind of demeaning sexual reference is used to put us in our place.

I dont defend you, I defend women...

 Good... perhaps you have an idea of what REAL liberated women feel when this misogynistic crap is uttered and people like you laugh at it

what he said was primitive rather than funny.

but you and i  have different mentalities.

So you feel yourself like a "REAL" liberated woman.

Has anyone talked you about being humble as well?

This kind of real liberated woman usually need to degrade other women that do not fit her narrow world in every occasion to feel "more liberated".

It more sounds to me that you have complexes.

Is it just disgusting sexual put-downs you find funny?  Or can we look forward to you laughing at religious/cultural ones in future too?

 ok ok

i didnt realize that.

but you see women like mltm canli libra peacetrain or alameda didnt get offended, they rather enjoyed it. are they women? what do you think? what makes them happy when idiots like chipmunk humiliate women? do they have psychological problems?

It wasn´t his posts that were funny, it was the spectacle of Cynicmystic and thehandsom, two grown men,  arguing "in the playground" that was funny.  It always amuses me, the way Turkish TC men seem to get so offended and insulted so very quickly and begin to scream like banshees or cry like babies.  The obscenity that C aimed at Femmeous was disgusting and wasn´t funny, but there were other facets that were.

As for C´s post here on this thread, it seems to me it wasn´t his opinion but a deliberate act to wind certain people up and I´m afraid he´s already hooked you Aenigma. Job done as far as he´s concerned.  He´s found an irritation and he´s inflaming it quite successfully.  No I don´t agree with that  and those particular posts of his are best  ignored for what they are, rubbish.

 I think C´s political posts are extremely well put together and I agree with his main argument regarding  thehandsom, that (in the politics forum) he posts material in order to attract heated debate from certain other members.  If H wants to do that let him, and if people want to challenge him about it, let them too.  H may dispute this charge  but it´s the way I interpret his political comment.  It´s not so much his views but the way he goes about goading then attempting to ridicule.

Having said all of that, I enjoy reading many of the arguments that H participates in because it gives me, a non Turk, an incite into the history of the conflicts in Turkey.  It doesn´t help me to make any judgement about these conflicts though as there seems to be so much evidence that can be produced for either argument. 

  As I read the exchanges it was the visions I conjured up in my own mind that amused.  Two silly, egotistical men determined to have the last word. 

Perhaps there may also have been some private pickling going on.  Liver pickling.

 you dont know what it is to be liberated or free. you dont fit into democracy. you are limited thus you react and speak as you do often.

it reminds me hairy´s saying about a donkey that has big beautiful eyes, but still a dnokey even in the west.

 Well maybe SOME of them do!

Sorry, but women who enjoy all the benefits of equality but continue to perpetuate stereotypical ideas about gender, deserve to be put in burkas, lose their vote, be beaten by their husbands, raped and enjoy all the other benefits of a male dominated society

 It really wasn´t funny at all, no matter who it was aimed at.  Even if femmeous wasn´t offended it was the right decision to delete, as were the references to a sexual act.

I am refering to deleted posts Peacetrain.  It has nothing to do with any arguing between theHandsom and him.  Until yesterday, I found Cynicmystic´s posts good reading (whether I agreed or not) and funny to read their arguments too.

 You seem to be making some kind of statement about Turkish people here and not a very nice one. 

 I will take your point on board when I see you defending comments about Western women here...

 This I agree with. I was trying to think of how to put this point across.  Thanks

 +1

well said

i often watch russian humour shows (i love it) where they primitively humiliate women. and women participate as sex objects. and they altogether laugh at those primitve jokes. i just ask myself questions why dont women see the problem there?

I´m repeating it in case it can remind you that sometimes you need to make more effort to get more insight.

I did not laugh at it saying "ohhh how funny it´s, I want more more" Laughing is another thing, the background of it and why you find funny is another thing. Then when people see someone falling down in front of cameras, they are in fact such evill people who take pleasure from people getting harm.

It was not the words he used I found funny, but it was him using it against "femmeous" was funny.Diamond cuts diamond.

And it was disgusting, but it was about "smell" I cannot get how you see it as a attack against all women and find an occasion to show how much more "liberated woman" you are free from men oppression.

I would agree more if you found it offensive, but you find it offensive against women. Are you obsessed?

 A great day indeed!

 thank you

 I think I´ve already documented what I did and didn´t find funny and the references to fish and sexual acts were definitely not funny.  Now the donkey references were very funny.  And also thehandsom as a non native English speaker, sometimes has an endearing turn of phrase which makes his posts all the more interesting to read. (this is not a criticism of H btw).

 All I see here is blah blah blah while you try to take a backwards step from your original comments...

You are now even saying you were not laughing?  Yet you accused me of having no sense of humour about it!

You are funny!

 Ok , point taken.

DDDD Aenigma.

I have no more words for you.

I was doubting about you, but now I´m sure

Haha yes I know

Feeling defeated?

 Hahah you ran out of argument now, so you start to attack my sanity instead!

Perhaps you would also like to use sexually demeaning words to try to make yourself feel less humiliated?

This was the part where I felt most sorry for herself.

This one I didn´t even find worth replying, but it demonstares very well the limits of her insight, and her small world.

Ley´s say it this way. I´m sure it will make you look at the mirror and say "wow, today I´m a stronger woman"

All the arguments are there aenigma for the eyes who can see.

 Finally we found something that offends you?

You ashamed of your Turkishness?

 Sorry but I don´t quite understand what your point is.  I understood you to be commenting about a nation not a gender.

You seem to be making a comment about me and what I do/do not comment about, which is effectively putting words into my mouth and trying to make readers build an incorrect view of my views. 

Everyone on this site has their own little ´pet´ issues that they like to comment on.  That´s not to say they agree or disagree with every other comment on the site that they don´t address. 

You have no way of knowing what my views are on feminist issues because I simply won´t give stupid men, on this site, the pleasure of thinking they have hit a nerve.  That´s the way I deal with it and you are welcome to deal with it in your way. I don´t think I´ve ever criticised your views on womens issues.   If I have strong issues I want to deal with I visit appropriate sites and I have posted about a few of those sites here.

In the past, you have made comments about ´silence´ being a stand against the points you have made.  You fail to realise that it could just be the opposite.  Then again, it could just be that these debates aren´t the primary interest for people on this particular site.

It seems you are not immune to stereotyping people yourself.

Did you really think that it offended me?

I felt sorry for you aenigma,

"the blonde british liberated woman who needs to defeat  men at the lights with her sports car in order to prove them how an undefeatable woman she´s"

If I were so ashamed of being turkish, I would not hang a turkish flag in my room.

 Yes I was ... but of course I don´t really mean it, but it was interesting for me to see that this upset Meltem more than Cynicmystics comments about women!

 OK.  However, I do not have any pride about letting anyone know that they have "hit a nerve" - why should that bother me?  It is a discussion site after all.

  Hahaha fair point

 Ouh thank you

Lovely description...

 I may add this to my CV - I love it

 "ofcourse you didn´t mean it". Are you fooling us?

If you noticed, I didn´t reply it until peacetrain reacted to it. I simply ignored it.

And now it shows that how you were looking a way to "degrade me more" in your opinion.

If cynicmystics comments upsets you so much, I suggest you to have a ride with your sports car.

 Ofcourse you love it, because it´s you.

OK, here goes then:

I object to the way thehandsom used references to donkeys in a negative way. He also appeared to engender them (female) from the description he gave.  What would have been wrong in saying that wherever the donkey is, it is "still a stubborn old mule" ? 

 Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

Well done PT - you "came out"

 Oh blast. I meant to come over as a donkeyist then ended with a feminist comment.

the difference between me and limitted mltm is that if anyone calls mltm´s body part as rotten fish i would be shocked and comment against that, but mltm would have fun out of primitive jokes.

mltm, you are so primitive.

Humble? Why on earth should a woman be humble? She - general - can be proud of anything she likes and shout that out loud. If you don´t see that, you are not liberated as you think you are!

 ah pt, you often dont know what you are talking about. you are so easy to checkmate you.

 ah, poor you, when lacking arguments you pick on someone´s english. pathetic.

 Haven´t a clue what point you´re making.  (Hope that perpetuates your opinion of me )

 Glad to be of service

 Please femmeous do not feel anything against any comments made about me.

I don´t want to listen to your differences. Ofcourse we are very very different, even not comparable.

AND I´m that honest to tell the truth. I felt shocked and found it funny.And I do not care about your opinions about me finding it funny.

Someone just descended to your level and answered you in your level.

At the end of the day, humankind is not very different from its primitive ascendants.

So, primitive jokes about primitive people made me laugh in a primitive way.

 She got me there too

 You can be humble in a lot of different ways. And it has nothing to do with being a woman or a man.

Shouting out loud in every occasion that "you are a liberated woman" just emphasizes that you are not in fact as liberated as you think.

 I think this was the first time I ever said it!

 Me too

 Sorry, pt, my fault and beg you a pardon.

 Humbleness is crap. Invented by men, maintained by men and women to keep women down.

 not commenting on this. but i will catch you in future.

 hey, darlink, wrong. being humble is good. though its used wrongly. people like mltm ask others to be humble but they fail applying to their own life.

 Aptal!

 Can you show me how to do that, femme?

 hmmmm.....

God god god.... Gimme patience

 while cooking i had some nice thoughts about being humble. now i forgot.

next time i cook i will record my thoughts.

 Dementia?

however i dont understand why mltm said about humbleness. what does humbleness have to do with being free or liberated?

one doesnt exclude the other.

 It depends on your take on the word "humble". It can be associated with servitude, but also can mean not being boastful

 i like the second meaning

serving others from time to time is fine, but not on a daily basis that others take granted without giving a least thought to it.

good to see a new wave sexist boy around here.. for your reference -- all your such posts will be deleted.

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I agree cynicmysitc´s post did go over...but the original post in this thread was a provacative and sexist post. What if it were reversed? It´s insulting to men...actually, it´s insulting to women too. What goes around comes around. I mean, really....look at these. I don´t find them funny at all.

4. We don´t look like a frog in a blender when dancing.
10. We have the ability to dress ourselves.
11. We can talk to the opposite sex without having to picture them naked.
15. We can make comments about how silly men are in their presence because they aren´t listening anyway

 I agree. I hate sexist jokes.  However, I think you will agree that, while we still live in such a male dominated world, its a tad more acceptable

alameda and her old songs.

people, how dare you joke about men?

Well 4,10 and 15 are certainly true of my husband!  - I thought it was quite funny and in lots of threads on this post men have given as good as they have got.  But cynics post was aimed to annoy on the back of his earlier posts in other threads - thats my opinion anyway

I agree with alameda on this.

If this kind of jokes will not be tolerated and will be classified as sexist, then it should apply to jokes about both genders, or we need to modify the rules to "sexism against women". Otherwise, the rules itself will be sexist.

 come on. its just alameda had to defend her male tc friends. im 100% sure she considers men superior to women.

she will always protect men. it is coded in her mentality along with her religion.

 do you really think that cynics post sounded like a joke to you?

Yes, but a bif difference is the fact he was reacting to an insult...there is a difference. Different people have different tolerances to abusive behaviour. If you don´t like being insulted, don´t throw them around. "What goes around comes around. "

I live in CA, and have had extensive training in harassment issues...and I can tell you, something like this posted in a work place could easily be an expensive court case.

 This is a bit rich coming from you catwoman. You have been peddling anti male sexist propaganda on here for years. I remember one contribution which even embarassed another prominent feminist here.

You are not exactly an authority on this issue, but you have the right to disagree. Unfortunately you will have to deal with it.

 what makes a feminist a feminist? have you ever given a thought to that?

 Put up with it for another thousand years, and perhaps we will be even, and take your view on board...

As with everything else, there´s a difference between joking about a dancing frog, and ´joking´ about using and abusing women. These two are not even comparable. If anybody said anything even closely as racist as cynic´s post was sexist, few people would have issues discerning how offensive it is, especially that we live in a sexist and racist world.

 Perfectly expressed

what makes me laugh is that none of these sensitive beings like alameda, canli, bydand, libra or mltm has expressed a tiny protest or digust when the very cynic was spewing such hatred and personal attacks on everyone around. opposite they enjoyed him.

not mentioning canli who just ignores posts that contain curses.

 thank you canim. thousand years arent enough.

Oh femm....Get real....you know you provoked him! You followed him around multiple threads harassing him and lowering the level of discourse. He warned you numerous times, but you kept on....

Oh..........the bullfighter doesn´t complain when he´s gored by the bull.....he knows he provoked him.

You are quite masterful at it.

 now, alameda

yesterday morning i logged in and the rumours were in my pm. till that time i had nothing to do with cynic.

and pls, dont lie about that i followed him. he accused me for things i didnt do.

now, alameda, my dear super hypocrite i ever met, prove your claims above, because i clearly remember what happent between me and cynic. i remember every detail.

Awwwww, i didnt know im always in your thoughts that way...well, actually i knew you alway think of me but that much ...awww im flattered

Seems you have missed me alot

You have every right i believe, bad me, i havent joint you in nice exchange opps, i mean nice debate for some time !

Ok look,

Ý havent seen cynic post here, i saw yours ´´all of you´´ and thought you were talking about the nice exchange you had with him yesterday

And i thought that wasnt fair, because you both have crossed the line, not only him and not only you.

When i saw his post here today it was already late, i pm´ed LÝR about it and we let it as it is now .

Done!

As do I....having followed it. I don´t have to prove anything. It´s here for all with eyes to see. All they have to do is follow your posts.....

 you failed alameda, you have no proof. because when you have proofs you never hesitate bringing them in the form of links or quotes. gotcha!

its just you love young men like cynic and you will always protect them. and nothing more.

 Are you justifying that kind of insult now Alameda?  Or only when it suits you?

I wonder what forum you were reading on Friday, because (on this occasion!) Femme was hardly provoking him! This demeaning sexual onslaught was brought about merely because of a comment about photography.  What has continued since, and yesterday, is as a result of, not the cause of, his actions

 +1 - actually you just beat me to it with that post.  And as for cynic ´warning´ femme several times ...is he running the site now with the right to ´warn´ people?

I think you are definitely biased here Alameda, and I think it´s just because you disagree with other opinons of Femme that you don´t look objectively at some things she says. I disagree with many opinions of Femme, but I do think she is quite right here:

You mean that is all your debats about ?!!!

Actually im not getting myself into that kind of talk !

Quoting femmeous

when he first crossed the borders i was in bed, and learnt that in the morning. wow, that wasnt fair. and i also learnt that it was LIR who delted the cynics post, not you and not libra. because you enjoy when your "friends like me" get insulted.

Nope, it was last night and it was a cooperate work between all of us too, and your posts or exchange with him were deleted also last night.

Actually i would, as long as LÝR would be the one who is in here on that time, or LL or cat .

Ýf no one was in here, yes i would take the charge of deleting it if needed and its not only you but anyone else would be treated same.

It is impossible to quote the part of your post that I want to reply to, because its all such a mess! 

Canli we are not talking about last nights "exchanges", we are talking about a post made on Friday night by Cynicmystic, which was largely unprovoked and unnecessary, not to mention disgusting.

Why won´t you listen to anyone (including two Admins)?

I find it strange that, a few weeks ago you found my post about TC Orgasm Day so worrying and crude that you insisted I post an "adults only" logo at the start of the thread.

An orgasm is a natural thing.  Nothing in my post was offensive.  Yet, here you are, defending Cynics comments!!!

 ah, pls, dont pretend you dont like such talks. canli, i know you watched these talks to the end with water in your mouth, you know every detail you just loved it why i think so? because you kept repeating about the last night talk. you like to pretend a nice lady. but you get caught by me.

Aenigma...Now if you really wanted to quote parts of Canli´s posts, it is not impossilbe. It does thake a little extra effort. If you think what you say is really that important, why not take the extra time and make the extra effort?

As to the exchange....it was followed by more than you. You and Femm like to provoke Turkish males. You seem to take a special joy in it.

a dogmatic hypocrisy?

oh please....!

 Pardon?

I actually think I provoke more females than males actually! I would say the same for femme too.  To be honest, I don´t think I tend to provoke much at all these days! I leave provoking to more dogmatic members

immature turkish males are delicious and crunchy to consume

 If you don´t provoke (what a pity   ) is it then possible to go to TheLounge? Please?

aenigma, pls, stop disturbing immature young turks, leave them all to alameda and her friends.

 OK sorry

 you genius, you have no clue of what you wrote. you gave me a great idea.

 Hmmmm, i actually dont understand your question !

Why dont i listen to anyone (including two admins) about forming my opinion or what ?!

Ý was accused of letting which post exactly and liking it ?

Friday´s or yesterday´s, or the post in that thread ?!

Ý already answered questions about yesterday´s and that thread post, about friday, i wasnt here and when i came back, i deleted posts alright about that, reposted post.

Actually i dont know nor understand the problem im accuused along with alameda and LL with ?

Should i carry a sign and say what i support or not support, or should i post in forum here the pm´s i´ve exchanged about the issue with the members ?!

PM means private message, it ÝS private so is what i said to him/ her.

Ý wont come and post it in forum, and said i said this or that.

Ý said what i wanted to the member in question and that is end of the story to me, i wont take it to the open, and i wont also come and say i have deleted this or that to prove anything.

 What did I do (wrong) this time?

nobody is asking anyone to post pm in the forum. asking such thing would be impolite.

 you are just genius, trudy, thats all

 Ãf i was defending Cynics comments regarding that issue, i wouldnt have deletd them!

Truth is that not every single mod has to be equally sensitive to everything. The reason we have many mods with different backgrounds is so that different mods can take care of different issues.

my conclusion is: women like mltm and alameda are those who condemn raped women for being raped. they will definetly say: she wouldnt be raped if she didnt provoke by her dress.

 Yes! how do you read my mind? Exactly like that.

Though I wonder how did you jump to thi subject.

 I don´t think my young dudu makes me look like an idiot! 

 Lisa...surely your dudu must only be about 10!! 

 Is that wrong?

 i dont like younger ones. they are so stupid. i wouldnt have enough patience to raise a child.

 Oh, LIR....he is old enough to see over the bar at the pub!  and he has a full beard!  So surely he is at least 17, no?

I was being complimentary about your age!  And Turks are very hairy - so maybe a full beard could be possible at 10!!! 

 I will have to ask to see his national ID card! 

Thanks for the compliment anyway.  They happen so infrequently here, I almost didn´t recognize it!!

Ooops wrong thread

oops, im too late.

 One too many drams methinks!!! 

You mean there is a right thread ???