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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 01:53 am

The widespread eavesdropping cases that are being reveled in Turkey everyday shows there is a serious problem that has to be addressed b y the government and the state institutions. This does not fit a country that aims to join the European Union.

 

The Turkish constitution specifies in very clear terms that citizens will enjoy freedom of travel and communications. However, in practice this article of the constitution has been violated systematically in Turkey both by state institutions and even by private persons.

Phone tapping and eavesdropping has become a way of life for the security forces. In recent years authorities have ordered wide spread phone tapping in the name o preventing crime and terrorism. Under objections from western circlers eavesdropping has been subjected to some li8mitations at least on paper where the security forces need a court order for phone tapping.

However, this really has not deterred officials ordering phone tapping… A heavy penalties court in Ankara has recently given authority to the police to widely use phone tapping to "monitor" potential criminals. Of course such measures are open to abuse both by officials and individuals.

http://www.thenewanatolian.com/opinion-32363.html

 

 

2.       catwoman
8933 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 02:05 am

Ros, are you trying to stir trouble? lol Very good article... could you provide the source please?

3.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 02:27 am

This sort of abuse of privacy is not peculiar to Turkey, it´s quite common in Europe and US (who are far more sophisticated at this than Turkey can ever be).  Let´s not be naive and point the finger only at Turkey.

4.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 02:28 am

I am afraid to say that phone tapping is not unique to Turkey.  There have been scandals all over the world regarding this.

 

In the UK, we have seen our fair share too....a good example being some highly embarassing phone conversations between Royals that were sent to the press and caused a huge scandal

 

Just google "phone tapping" and see all the headlines from all over the world come up

 

Telegraph:  "1000 phones tapped a day in the UK"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576937/Phones-tapped-at-the-rate-of-1,000-a-day.html

 

Greece Rocked by Mobile Phone Tapping Scandal

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/06/greece_mobile_snooping_scandal/

 

The list is endless.

5.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 03:25 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

I am afraid to say that phone tapping is not unique to Turkey. There have been scandals all over the world regarding this.

 

In the UK, we have seen our fair share too....a good example being some highly embarassing phone conversations between Royals that were sent to the press and caused a huge scandal

 

Just google "phone tapping" and see all the headlines from all over the world come up

 

Telegraph: "1000 phones tapped a day in the UK"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576937/Phones-tapped-at-the-rate-of-1,000-a-day.html

 

Greece Rocked by Mobile Phone Tapping Scandal

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/06/greece_mobile_snooping_scandal/

 

The list is endless.

 

{#lang_emotions_scared}so are they gonna kick England out of the EU? see there is no freedom in England{#lang_emotions_razz}

 

 

"This does not fit a country that aims to join the European Union."

 

 

6.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 03:27 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

{#lang_emotions_scared}so are they gonna kick England out of the EU? see there is no freedom in England{#lang_emotions_razz}

 

 

"This does not fit a country that aims to join the European Union."

 

 Unfortunately, it seems not

 

7.       bydand
755 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 12:15 pm

Seems to be yet another Turkey bashing thread. {#lang_emotions_neutral}  If they kick England out of the EU I hope they take Scotland with them.{#lang_emotions_unsure}

8.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 03:06 pm

Further to my earlier post, further proof that the worst offenders for phone tapping are Britain, Italy and the Netherlands!

 

Should we be kicked out of EU? I hope so

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2136147/

 

9.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 03:12 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Further to my earlier post, further proof that the worst offenders for phone tapping are Britain, Italy and the Netherlands!

 

Should we be kicked out of EU? I hope so

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2136147/

 

 Now that is bad! I never thought of the bad sides for the Netherlands to be in the EU though, I should read a bit more.

10.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 03:16 pm

 

Quoting bydand

Seems to be yet another Turkey bashing thread. {#lang_emotions_neutral} 

 

 What´s bashing about this? I love Turkey, and I´d very much like to stay informed and be able to talk about anything going on there, because only that way things can change. If we stay mouth-dead and pretend we all just read the ´happy newspaper´, nothing will change because nobody will notice something is wrong. But apart from that, I don´t see the bashing side here really.

11.       bydand
755 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 04:10 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 What´s bashing about this? I love Turkey, and I´d very much like to stay informed and be able to talk about anything going on there, because only that way things can change. If we stay mouth-dead and pretend we all just read the ´happy newspaper´, nothing will change because nobody will notice something is wrong. But apart from that, I don´t see the bashing side here really.

 

 Because she has specifically singled out Turkey when it is arguably worse in many other countries. We have a high profile case in Britain at the moment where phone tapping could be involved.

12.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 04:14 pm

 

Quoting bydand

 Because she has specifically singled out Turkey when it is arguably worse in many other countries. We have a high profile case in Britain at the moment where phone tapping could be involved.

 

 Well this is a website about Turkey right And after posting this, posts immediately came up to say it is actually worse in other countries (including my own).

13.       bydand
755 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 04:29 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 Well this is a website about Turkey right And after posting this, posts immediately came up to say it is actually worse in other countries (including my own).

 

 It was the original post I was refering to as it implied it could jeopardize Turkeys entry into Europe when the practice is widespread across many countries.

14.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 07:08 pm

 

Quoting bydand

 It was the original post I was refering to as it implied it could jeopardize Turkeys entry into Europe when the practice is widespread across many countries.

 

 Well that´s the problem with EU I suppose! I wouldn´t be surprised if this jeopardized Turkey´s position, even though we are guilty as well.

15.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 07:26 pm

The problem is...is EU qualified to accept the Giant, Turkiye! Turkiye, I think is over qualified, in some ways for the EU. Especially when compared to some of the recent EU accquisitions.

16.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 07:42 pm

 

Quoting Waseem_UK

The problem is...is EU qualified to accept the Giant, Turkiye! Turkiye, I think is over qualified, in some ways for the EU. Especially when compared to some of the recent EU accquisitions.

 

 Yes maybe you are right Waseem.  Your post will be treated with great respect - it is considered completely acceptable to "EU bash" but entirely unacceptable to "Turkey bash" on this site

17.       Trudy
7887 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 07:46 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Yes maybe you are right Waseem.  Your post will be treated with great respect - it is considered completely acceptable to "EU bash" but entirely unacceptable to "Turkey bash" on this site

 

 It took some time, but finally you understand!

18.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 07:48 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 It took some time, but finally you understand!

 

 Ouuuhhh yes

 

Incidently, I think (as Catwoman mentioned) it is very important to know the source of this article.  For all we can tell, it may be Roswitha´s own essay (although I somehow doubt it!).

 

If this article is from a Turkish media source, then it carries a different significance than if it is from a US or UK source.

19.       Trudy
7887 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 07:56 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Ouuuhhh yes

 

Incidently, I think (as Catwoman mentioned) it is very important to know the source of this article.  For all we can tell, it may be Roswitha´s own essay (although I somehow doubt it!).

 

If this article is from a Turkish media source, then it carries a different significance than if it is from a US or UK source.

 

Googled it: it´s from Thenewanatolian, a Turkish newspaper. Article is from June 2008 and not completely quoted in the first post.

20.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 08:10 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

Googled it: it´s from Thenewanatolian, a Turkish newspaper. Article is from June 2008 and not completely quoted in the first post.

 

Thanks Trudy.  So it is from a Turkish newspaper (who have not checked their facts very well!) and is criticising it´s own government?

 

As there is not a single post which supports the title of the thread, I can´t really see what the problem is...

21.       bydand
755 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 09:44 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Thanks Trudy.  So it is from a Turkish newspaper (who have not checked their facts very well!) and is criticising it´s own government?

 

As there is not a single post which supports the title of the thread, I can´t really see what the problem is...

 

 Once again TheAenigma you and Trudy are completely missing the point I was making. The original post was singling out Turkey. Why say Turkey is unfit for EU membership because of phone tapping when it is rife across the rest of Europe? The fact it was an article from a Turkish newspaper only goes to show the freedom the press in Turkey have to be highly critical of there own authorities.

22.       Trudy
7887 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 09:48 pm

 

Quoting bydand

 Once again TheAenigma you and Trudy are completely missing the point I was making. The original post was singling out Turkey. Why say Turkey is unfit for EU membership because of phone tapping when it is rife across the rest of Europe? The fact it was an article from a Turkish newspaper only goes to show the freedom the press in Turkey have to be highly critical of there own authorities.

 

 Ask it the Turkish writer of this article. He probably knows why he singled Turkey out.

23.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 09:49 pm

 

Quoting bydand

 Once again TheAenigma you and Trudy are completely missing the point I was making.

 

 Perhaps you completely missed DK´s point too when she pointed out that this is, after all, a website about Turkey and therefore Turkish news and articles are often discussed here

If your gripe is with Roswitha for posting it, perhaps you should take that up with her.

 

The comment about Turkey being "unfit" for EU membership was part of the article (as far as i am aware)

24.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 11:07 pm

Thank you Esther and Aenigma:

 

http://www.thenewanatolian.com/opinion-32363.html

 

 

 

Fifty-thousand phones tapped via court decree

   
The debates on telephone tapping, which surfaced as a result of Constitutional Court Chairman Osman Paksüt and CHP General Secretary Önder Sav claiming their telephone calls were being listened in on, in addition to the request made by the Chairman of the police department Chief Ramazan Akyürek have gained a new dimension with the claims that all communication lines in Turkey are in actuality tapped.

The police department stated: "we do listen in on some telephones but not on all of the people in Turkey. Fifty thousand phone lines are being tapped, allowed by a court decree, in Turkey. Seventy million telephones are being monitored. The court extends the duration period of phone tapping for a period of three months at the most, however this duration can be extended and all recording are kept on record, thereby allowing courts to make retrospective decisions. Therefore, telephones are being monitored continuously and live."
http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=200806020848146

25.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 11:13 pm

Latest news from Zaman

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=143418

CHP eavesdropping allegations proven false

26.       bydand
755 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 11:14 pm

It would have been helpful if Roswitha had disclosed the source of the article, even catwoman in the second post thought she was making mischief and congratulated her on the article and found it highly amusing.{#lang_emotions_confused} I still say it should not be a barrier against Turkey´s entry into Europe. 

27.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 11:16 pm

 

Quoting bydand

It would have been helpful if Roswitha had disclosed the source of the article, even catwoman in the second post thought she was making mischief and congratulated her on the article and found it highly amusing.{#lang_emotions_confused} I still say it should not be a barrier against Turkey´s entry into Europe. 

 

 I completely agree (as does everyone else I think....)

28.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 30 Nov 2008 Sun 01:08 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 I completely agree (as does everyone else I think....)

 

 +1

 

 

What´s up with these misinterpretations these days!! Who said anything about seeing this as a valid reason to keep TR out of our beloved EU {#lang_emotions_scared}

29.       femmeous
2642 posts
 30 Nov 2008 Sun 01:19 am

 

Quoting bydand

It would have been helpful if Roswitha had disclosed the source of the article, even catwoman in the second post thought she was making mischief and congratulated her on the article and found it highly amusing.{#lang_emotions_confused} I still say it should not be a barrier against Turkey´s entry into Europe. 

 

 1. Ros, disclose the source, (i know it must be somewhere under a beautiful turkish rug you bought once).

 

2. Catwoman, disclose the second post

 

3. Trudy and aenigma, stop amusing the articles.

 

4. Free Turkey from barriers!

 

5. Friends, stop tapping the phones. not nice.

30.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 30 Nov 2008 Sun 01:21 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 

5. Friends, stop tapping the phones. not nice.

 

  lol

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