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90.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 05:17 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 Actually AE that is not the point,the point is,those things are happening,so can we do anything about them as individuals ?

This is what i wonder ...and will it help ?! 

 

 i reckon you wouldnt be so enthusiastic if this wasnt about muslims

91.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 05:22 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I do not think those kind of ideas suddenly appeared..(And it is nothing with the family education either because education families are able to give is getting less and less)

Most of these things/ideas have always been there..

The only difference is the internet age..

We are able to see what everybody thinks now whereas you would not see some europeans think ´mohammed was this or that´ 20 years ago. 

I think people should get used to it.

 

 i disagree with you.

20 years ago people knew nothing about islam, it was one of those exotic religions, until 9/11.

but now, people are learning more and more, mainly thanks to internet. people started reading quran and hadiths and giving their opinions.

 

92.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 05:30 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 People lack distance and critical thinking. And for such people am I more sorry than for those stupid hate-mongers.

 

 a fantastic statement!

93.       vineyards
1954 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 05:35 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 i disagree with you.

20 years ago people knew nothing about islam, it was one of those exotic religions, until 9/11.

but now, people are learning more and more, mainly thanks to internet. people started reading quran and hadiths and giving their opinions.

 

I disagree with you too. Christian and Muslim civilizations have known each other for at least one thousand years. I am copying the entire list of crusades many of which were fought between the Turks and European forces. These crusades serve the basis for East-West enmity.

 

Excerpts from Wikipedia (Crusades)

 

94.       Melek74
1506 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 05:40 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

If we are pissed off so easily then we should question ourselves in the first place. This whole  East-West conflict is in your minds really. Don´t look for it elsewhere. It is in the iron-clad stereotypes that were injected into your minds.

 

For my own part, I have no problems with either West or East. I also believe these are very generalistic definitions. There is East in West and vice versa. My problem is limited to those disparaging, demeaning and rude statements which have become quite rampant lately.

Could your ealier post about US citizens (all 300+ million people, including 8+ million American Muslims and 3+ million American-Arabs) hating the guts of Iraqis be considered one of your iron-clad stereotypes that was injected into your mind? You´re right, question yourself first.

95.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 05:41 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

"mohammad was a rapist, and for that he is in hell for eternity, altogether with arafag and many other muslims who in life were also child abusers."

"Islam is not a race Kermit. Muhammed the so called "prophet" of islam was a murdering, raping, thieving, lying, pedophile. Pisslam is the most intolerant "religion" on the planet.

 

 i just dont understand why do you love censorship so much? why cant you stand other opinions?

btw, i completly agree with the opinions above you quoted.

i personally received hundreds of more disgusting comments from muslims (not on tc) where they threaten me describing how they would rape me (my whole family) and then torture me etc etc.

meanwhile i dont receive any life threatening comments or in that disgusting manner from christians even though i also fiercely debate with them on christianity.

96.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 05:50 pm

vineyards, thats not simply true.

those who knew about islam were those who studied the oriental countries and did research works and wrote books.

people in europe knew nothing and still know almost nothing about islam, most of them simply dont care for any religion at all.

muslims too know nothing about christianity, all they know about it is crusades and a hatred towards christians.

vineyards, its no good to claim untrue things as true on the basis of a small group who had some ideas on both religions.

 

97.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 05:56 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

 

Excerpts from Wikipedia (Crusades)

 

 

 lol

anything else except crusades? you are just proving my statement. the muslim world knows nothing about christianity except crusades. lol

 

and im so glad the crusades stopped the islamic flood, otherwise we would still be in bazars selling rugs trying to fly on them.

98.       vineyards
1954 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 05:56 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

Could your ealier post about US citizens (all 300+ million people, including 8+ million American Muslims and 3+ million American-Arabs) hating the guts of Iraqis be considered one of your iron-clad stereotypes that was injected into your mind? You´re right, question yourself first.

 

Thank you for personally accusing me. The problem is you are not making a point. You seem to be suggesting that I am making false generalizations... Well, if I said, 300 million Americans plus all those minorities you named are in peaceful terms with the Iraqis that would be another generalization. Sometimes, we need to base our arguments on what we observe. It was a mere observation nothing more. Having been here for some time, I know how easily people turn this into an East-West conflict.

 

I am beginning to think, you take offense so easily.

99.       vineyards
1954 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 06:02 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

vineyards, thats not simply true.

those who knew about islam were those who studied the oriental countries and did research works and wrote books.

people in europe knew nothing and still know almost nothing about islam, most of them simply dont care for any religion at all.

muslims too know nothing about christianity, all they know about it is crusades and a hatred towards christians.

vineyards, its no good to claim untrue things as true on the basis of a small group who had some ideas on both religions.

 

Femmous who built the entire foreign policies of both Western and Eastern countries we are talking about? We are talking about the actions of governments in relation to one another not what some taxi driver rants about Islam. 

 

Now in the intelligent point of view in Europe is pro-freedom, individualism and consumption. Policies are being shaped to improve society in these respects. Therefore, no matter who you are you become a part of it.  It is no surprise that there is usually a common foreign enemy who can be cursed freely.

 

If your leader calls you to unite against a common enemy telling lies about the intentions of this make-believe opponent, all the red necks in the country turn this into physical acts of violence against muslims.

100.       vineyards
1954 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 06:04 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 lol

anything else except crusades? you are just proving my statement. the muslim world knows nothing about christianity except crusades. lol

 

and im so glad the crusades stopped the islamic flood, otherwise we would still be in bazars selling rugs trying to fly on them.

 

Dear Femmous, you are wrong again. You should study history. Just check out the year when the crusades end, that marks the beginning of invasion of the Balkans up-to Vienna by Turks. 

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