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14 Dec 2008 Sun 06:04 pm |
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anything else except crusades? you are just proving my statement. the muslim world knows nothing about christianity except crusades.
and im so glad the crusades stopped the islamic flood, otherwise we would still be in bazars selling rugs trying to fly on them.
Dear Femmous, you are wrong again. You should study history. Just check out the year when the crusades end, that marks the beginning of invasion of the Balkans up-to Vienna by Turks.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 06:06 pm |
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For what it´s worth....I think humans, on our most simplistic level, are one of the pack, flock or herd species. We group together in "like" groups and harvest and distribute resources based on members place in the group. It´s "Us" and "Them"...the "others".
When resources become scarce, (petrol, water, energy) we start seeing issues like we are now seeing, with hateful messages against "other" groups. Hate groups have always existed, but with the growth of the Internet, groups can easily communicate with each other...and the "others".
I´ve seen hateful messages regarding Muslims grow in recent years. As an outcome of recent wars and perceived threats, it´s now PC in some groups to "diss" Muslims..."Ragheads". We saw it in the recent US election with people claiming Obama was a Muslim. I was glad to see Colin Powell speak out against it.
Anti "Western" sentiment in the "East" have grown, and the rhetoric has grown accordingly. I have also seen growing hate messages against the Jews....one of the oldest scapegoats. Of course, all of this makes me very sad. At the heart of all the Abrahamic religions, and in fact all the worlds great religions, the message is really very much the same.
Wouldn´t it be wonderful if we learned to work together to develop and conserve resources, instead of trying to hoard and exploit them?
It´s unfortunate this is an old problem and one that most probably won´t ever go away. It´s like weeding one´s garden. The weeds come back, but you work to keep them in check, you plant seeds and cultivate them. The weeds will never go away, but at least you can keep them in check. If you nourish and care for your seeds, you have a good chance of harvesting a good crop.....if you do nothing, the weeds take over.
Quoting vineyards
The Purpose of this message:
"To awaken people to an important problem which I believe may become even more threatening unless we take it seriously."
Punchline:
We should not hate other beliefs or ethnicities. We should educate our children accordingly.
Disclaimer:
There are also people cursing Christianity, Hinduism, Jewry, Zoroaster´s religion, Buddhism, Shamanism, Paganism and many more which I am unable to include here. I am not in a position to personally count all those demeaning messages one by one and equally unable to come to an authoritative conclusion as to which group send more and uglier posts. Nevertheless, I believe, Islam is a primary target these days. Although this is just a personal opinion.
End of edited vineyards message....
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 06:08 pm |
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Dear Femmous, you are wrong again. You should study history. Just check out the year when the crusades end, that marks the beginning of invasion of the Balkans up-to Vienna by Turks.
my sources arent turkish government school texts 
and thank God it ended up in vienna.
but who could have guessed that they would invade europe anyway turning it into slums (as tami describes).
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 06:15 pm |
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Thank you for personally accusing me. The problem is you are not making a point. You seem to be suggesting that I am making false generalizations... Well, if I said, 300 million Americans plus all those minorities you named are in peaceful terms with the Iraqis that would be another generalization. Sometimes, we need to base our arguments on what we observe. It was a mere observation nothing more. Having been here for some time, I know how easily people turn this into an East-West conflict.
I am beginning to think, you take offense so easily.
Maybe I take offense easily or maybe, if I see, that as an American, I´m being falsely generalized into a category, I might want to stand up for myself and correct some perceptions. I´m not asking you to lie and say Americans are in peaceful terms with anybody. But surely you can agree that in a population of that size you´d encounter a wide range of opinions ranging from despicable ones that you quoted originally, from those who do hate the guts of the Iraqis, to those who hate the guts of the US government for what they did to the Iraqis. And you´ll probably find those who don´t care either way. If you choose to look only for those opinions that support your point of view, your point of view, by definition, is going to be biased. I wouldn´t react to your post if you said "some" or even "most" US citizens as I´m sure there are those who do feel exactly they way you describe. And that´s the point I´m making. Be objective.
My post was not meant as a personal accusation, it was meant to point out lack of consistency between the two posts (at least in my perception). I´m sorry if I came across too personal.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 07:50 pm |
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vineyards, you are contradicting yourself in this one post.
and again i disagree with you.
none of the european leaders is calling to unite against islam, dont be such a liar. opposite the european govs are pro-islamic crappy idiots, they are introducing islam as a peaceful religion (which isnt 100%). they are giving anything and doing everything to please muslims, they are allowed in governements, they have their mosques, they can have their letterboxes, everything, vineyards, everything. you even cant criticise it openly in public , you may get arrested or you may get killed by peaceful muslims.
you are such a good provoker, vineyards. you make a victim out of islam, while its us who fell prey of the democarcy and freedom of speech under which we have to tolerate such a barbaric religion.
watch this vid on youtube (oops, you cant, your democratic state doesnt allow)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IGkrnDpH6sg&feature=channel
where an imam in denmark says that no one can stop the islamization of europe until theres democracy and freedom. and as soon as islam will rule, the democracy itself will vanish.
so they are using democracy to achieve their goal to turn europe into islamic.
You have lost control again.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 07:56 pm |
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You have lost control again.
You think so? What she said I recognise in my country.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 08:00 pm |
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Lucky you are not in a barbaric country...
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 08:01 pm |
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Lucky you are not in a barbaric country...
Many people won´t agree with you....
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 08:10 pm |
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Many people won´t agree with you....
The Dutch scare me! 
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 08:17 pm |
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The Dutch scare me!
Most of the time we´re quite harmless. 
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 08:19 pm |
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Lucky you are not in a barbaric country...
you get so furious when someone dares to disagree with you. grow up.
no wonder you love censorship. you simply cant stand opinions other than yours.
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