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´Turkey is an imitation of the West´ Pamuk says
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Dec 2008 Sat 01:50 pm

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But "living at the edge of Europe" also means that there is a great temptation to imitate Europe, to the detriment of one’s own culture. "Turkey is not a part of the West. I always repeat this and I will repeat it again, Turkey is an imitation of the West. Turkey has never been colonized by Europe and because we have no wounds [from colonization], it is easier to have praise for Europe. Atatürk himself was a perfect occidentalist." 

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http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10607679.asp?scr=1

2.       Trudy
7887 posts
 20 Dec 2008 Sat 01:53 pm

O-oh.... I foresee 20 pages......

3.       femmeous
2642 posts
 20 Dec 2008 Sat 01:59 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 Atatürk himself was a perfect occidentalist." 

 

 this is against logic lol

4.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 20 Dec 2008 Sat 05:20 pm

Pamuk is an imitation of westerners

5.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 20 Dec 2008 Sat 05:21 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

Atatürk himself was a perfect occidentalist."

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http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10607679.asp?scr=1

 

 

I`m 100% sure, this moron thinks that being occidentalist means being pro-western{#lang_emotions_lol_fast} He is contradicting himself. Someone should warn him not to use words that he doesn`t know the the meaning of.

 

 

The term Occidentalism usually refers to stereotyped and sometimes dehumanizing views on the so-called Western world, including Europe and the English-speaking world.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occidentalism

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Dec 2008 Sat 05:51 pm

 

There is not limit to my country´s nationalists when it comes to slurring people who they think they are NOT nationalist enough. lol

Ataturk was a an admirer of the west and western life style..

Most of the articles in our first constitution were from the west..

He almost spent his entire life trying to westernize Turkey..

But you can not put ´those simple facts´ into my country´s dimwits and imbecil nationalists lol

 

 

7.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 20 Dec 2008 Sat 05:59 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

Ataturk was a an admirer of the west and western life style..

 

That`s what I`m talking about. If he was an admirer of the west, how come he was also "a perfect occidentalist"?

 

Do I have to ignore this guy`s ignorance to be called a "liberal"? I`m sorry to disappoint his fanboys.

8.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Dec 2008 Sat 06:02 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

....

But "living at the edge of Europe" also means that there is a great temptation to imitate Europe, to the detriment of one’s own culture. "Turkey is not a part of the West. I always repeat this and I will repeat it again, Turkey is an imitation of the West. Turkey has never been colonized by Europe and because we have no wounds [from colonization], it is easier to have praise for Europe. Atatürk himself was a perfect occidentalist." 

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http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10607679.asp?scr=1

 

 

so what? Turkey doesn´t love the west because of their culture or customs or even because of their freedom, but because of economic advantages. fortunately Turks are conscious enough of a nation to want their government to give them better living standards, so naturally the government is looking to the west for tips on how to do it.

9.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Dec 2008 Sat 06:03 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

There is not limit to my country´s nationalists when it comes to slurring people who they think they are NOT nationalist enough. lol

Ataturk was a an admirer of the west and western life style..

Most of the articles in our first constitution were from the west..

He almost spent his entire life trying to westernize Turkey..

But you can not put ´those simple facts´ into my country´s dimwits and imbecil nationalists lol

 

I was going to pass a comment on that but you put it well... it is so backwards and primitive..

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Dec 2008 Sat 06:08 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

That`s what I`m talking about. If he was an admirer of the west, how come he was also "a perfect occidentalist"?

 

Do I have to ignore this guy`s ignorance to be called a "liberal"? I`m sorry to disappoint his fanboys.

 

That is what I was talking about too..

occidentalism is defined in many dictionaries as :

-the scholarly knowledge of western cultures and languages and people

-the quality or customs or mannerisms characteristic of Western civilization.

 

But when it comes to my sweet nationalists, they will go and find ´anything´ to SLUR Orhan Pamuk..

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