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´Turkey is an imitation of the West´ Pamuk says
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 06:59 pm |
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It is like ´noo..i dont care what it says in those dictionaries..but the real definition is this´.
it`s because the real definition is the one I quoted. Any scholarly source that mentions about occidentalism would prove that.
Let`s see what dictionaries say about orientalism;
1. A quality, mannerism, or custom specific to or characteristic of the Orient.
2. Scholarly knowledge of Asian cultures, languages, and peoples.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Orientalism
But we all know that orientalism means nothing like that. Don`t we?
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 07:01 pm |
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In my opinion most people are cureless idiots...
I agree, especially fanboys.
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 07:08 pm |
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it`s because the real definition is the one I quoted. Any scholarly source that mentions about occidentalism would prove that.
Let`s see what dictionaries say about orientalism;
1. A quality, mannerism, or custom specific to or characteristic of the Orient.
2. Scholarly knowledge of Asian cultures, languages, and peoples.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Orientalism
But we all know that orientalism means nothing like that. Don`t we?
I dont know what you understand or feel when a western person calls you ´you are from orient´ or ´you are an easterner´ etc.
I dont have an inferior complex to feel offended..
I am an easterner and I am quite proud of it..
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 07:13 pm |
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I dont know what you understand or feel when a western person calls you ´you are from orient´ or ´you are easterner´ etc.
I dont have an inferior complex to feel offended..
I am an easterner and I am quite proud of it..
I wonder how this relates to the issue we are talking about?
if you thing that telling a person you`re from orient and telling him you`re an orientalist are the same thing, I have nothing to say
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 07:15 pm |
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Folks, stop cursing one another.
"Nato mermer nato" kafa as it is used in Turkish means you are thick as a brick...
You mustn´t call each other like that. I devote a full page just to imply that.
In my opinion most people are cureless idiots. These are usually harmless people.
The problem begins when an idiot thinks he has an IQ exceeding those of others combined.
´Nato mermer nato kafa´ fitted perfectly well in the context and at the given time..
And I hope, you were not trying to insinuate anything with your selection of words such as cureless idiots/IQ etc...
Will you clear the air about what you were trying to say or if you mean anything to anybody?
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 07:22 pm |
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It is like ´noo..i dont care what it says in those dictionaries..but the real definition is this´.
it`s because the real definition is the one I quoted. Any scholarly source that mentions about occidentalism would prove that.
Let`s see what dictionaries say about orientalism;
1. A quality, mannerism, or custom specific to or characteristic of the Orient.
2. Scholarly knowledge of Asian cultures, languages, and peoples.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Orientalism
But we all know that orientalism means nothing like that. Don`t we?
ok, you can keep acting like a child. in any case, the meaning of the quote has been explained.
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 07:23 pm |
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I agree, especially fanboys.
as well as brainless nationalists.
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 07:23 pm |
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I wonder how this relates to the issue we are talking about?
if you thing that telling a person you`re from orient and telling him you`re an orientalist are the same thing, I have nothing to say
Well since the begining of your posts in this topic was not related to what Orhan Pamuk says but to slur him, no wonder we keep going off the topic..
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 07:24 pm |
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Will you clear the air about what you were trying to say or if you mean anything to anybody?
I think vineyards was talking about catwoman
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 07:27 pm |
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thats what i thought at the beginning. that the definition from wikipedia contradicts with post of thehairy.
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20 Dec 2008 Sat 07:28 pm |
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But "living at the edge of Europe" also means that there is a great temptation to imitate Europe, to the detriment of one’s own culture. "Turkey is not a part of the West. I always repeat this and I will repeat it again, Turkey is an imitation of the West. Turkey has never been colonized by Europe and because we have no wounds [from colonization], it is easier to have praise for Europe. Atatürk himself was a perfect occidentalist."
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http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10607679.asp?scr=1
im still trying to find out what you wanna say here 
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