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when to use yi ye ya etc
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 10:40 am |
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Quoting Lyndie: Quoting deli: hey come on deli kizin you must remember i am a forty three year old dumb blonde what the flippin heck is marquee |
What the hell does
Datative
Accusative
Transitive
Mean.
I am afraid that I was educated in an era when they didn't teach us the rules of grammar. We just learned it. I have said this before, some of us learned to speak perfect grammar when we were young (back in the days when TV was black and white, before there were even calculators let alone computers and before man set foot on the moon!)but we didn't learn the names or functions of the grammar rules. So when all you young dudes start talking about grammar rules. I don't know what the hell you are talking about (and I know I'm not the only one) and this makes it even more difficult to apply the rules to Turkish, when us poor English students (of a certain age)can't even understand our own grammar rules. 
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Hi Lyndie
I understand what you mean. I doesn't really have anything to do with begin "young". It depends on the language you're studying. I know what it is because I learnt German. People who studied Latin know it too. But you don't really need to know what it is when studying English, French or Spanish for example.
Here you can find more info on all kinds of cases (many more than you need to know  )
You can find a lot of useful info when you google a bit, or follow the external links in Wikipedia.
Elisa 
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 01:50 pm |
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Quoting erdinc:
I should put that information on a webpage or artice for further reference instead continuously repeating myself. Well, yeah I'm a bit lazy.
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As a matter of fact i think that would be well appreciated  It's much easier to find it when it's under a grammar section than in a forum. Plus, all my bookmarks got erased during a computer-crash of two weeks ago, so all the threads i bookmarked are gone 
But another matter of fact I don't think you're lazy, I'm always surprised where you find the time to answer so complete!
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 02:08 pm |
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Quoting Elisa: It depends on the language you're studying. I know what it is because I learnt German. People who studied Latin know it too. But you don't really need to know what it is when studying English, French or Spanish for example.
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I really agree. Actually every language has the basic ones, but on this website, we tend to use the words that come from Latin. I didn't check Elisa's link yet, but I'm sure it will be really helpful (i actually think all the links you always post are great ), but I thought I'd put it like this to make it a bit more clear, in the basic-stuff:
Latin term English More common
Nominativus Nominative Subject: (he)
Dativus Dative Indirect object: (to him)
Accusativus Accusative Object: (him)
The most common are:
01. Nominative » Ben - okul
02. Genitive » Benim - okulum
03. Dative » Bana - okula
04. Accusative » Beni - okulu
05. Ablative » Bende - okulda
06. Benden - okuldan(I don't know which case this is actually 
1. I - school (subject)
2. My/mine - my school (possessive)
3. To me - to school (direction: to somewhere, or for the benefit of
4. Me - 'school' (object)
5. 'In me' - at school (definition of place or time)
6. From me - From school (a movement away from something, because of)
Obviously i stayed home from school again today, but i'm not ill anymore only an exremely sore throat, and now im bored! But i hope my boredness made u understand it a bit better
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 05:23 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Plus, all my bookmarks got erased during a computer-crash of two weeks ago, so all the threads i bookmarked are gone
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 NIGHTMARE!!!!!!! 
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 05:32 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
I didn't check Elisa's link yet, but I'm sure it will be really helpful (i actually think all the links you always post are great ) |
In my eyes you can't do anything wrong anymore
Quoting Deli_kizin:
The most common are:
01. Nominative » Ben - okul
02. Genitive » Benim - okulum
03. Dative » Bana - okula
04. Accusative » Beni - okulu
05. Ablative » Bende - okulda
06. Benden - okuldan(I don't know which case this is actually |
I think that no. 06 is ablative actually and no. 05 is locative.
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 05:46 pm |
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On the other hand Lyndie, don't think too much about those cases. Study the examples that Deli_K gave, so that you recognize cases, and are able to use the appropriate suffix. That's all you need to know.
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 06:01 pm |
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Oh sorry you are right about that locative and stuff..
Yeah, I sometimes wonder if it simplifies or makes it more difficult to know another language, when u know grammar rules of your own language. Becuase your own rules and 'terms' can be used for different things in other languages. That's why i think raising someone bilengual is a VERY good idea (you understood well that i still kinda blame my parents they didnt raise me in English as wel )
Because in this case you learn fluently, like a native, without having the troubel of being 'stuck' in your own languagerules.
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19 Apr 2006 Wed 02:53 am |
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Deli K and Elisa. thanks so much for that. the link and explanations are very useful and Elisa I think you are right, maybe I should not worry too much about this, just best get on with it
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14 Feb 2010 Sun 01:41 pm |
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didnt work
Edited (2/14/2010) by
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14 Feb 2010 Sun 02:25 pm |
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didnt work
Do you mean the ´moving text´ instructions? Didn´t work for me either - I was quite disappointed  .
I think it´s because the system of adding links to the forums was changed a year or so ago.
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