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when to use yi ye ya etc
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 01:49 pm |
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although i have been in this site for a while i still dont understand the rules about using these please help me :-S with example sentences in turkish and then english please ta !im a simple girl and its the simple things that confuse me 
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 02:41 pm |
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I would like to learn too  Anyone to help us out?
I think you mean as in:
Alışveriş yapmaya istiyorum.
Yüzmeye seviyorum.
But when is it -ya- or when is it something else? It was explained somehwere before but i can't find it anymore, plus the fact that i still question it, means i still don't understand it.
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 04:07 pm |
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Hello Deli and Deli_kizin,
I am also a Turkish learner, and I am not an expert, but I will try to explain it as far as I understand it.
Well, You are talking about the following suffixes:
Accusative Case suffixes: -i/-ı/-u/-ü
The Accusative is the Direct Object of a Verb - it is translated as "the.." in English
Dative case suffixes: -a/-e
The Dative is the Case of Movement Towards - it is translated as "to., towards.." in English.
"y"- this is a buffer/fussion consonant for these suffixes when they are added to a verb that ends in a vowel.
The mosty important thing that You should understand about the use of these suffixes is to remember that some verbs require accusative case and other ones require dative case. I think this is the same thing as for example the use of "from, for, at, on, in" after an English verb.
For example,
In English we say:
"to participate in" - not "at"
"to strive for" - not simply "to strive"
"different from" - not "of"
and so on.
I hope someone will come with Turkish examples and English translations, and you will be able to understand it.
I hope someone will come with a more comprehensive answer.
And please tell me if I am wrong.
Best regards,
Mella
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 05:16 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I would like to learn too Anyone to help us out?
I think you mean as in:
Alışveriş yapmaya istiyorum.
Yüzmeye seviyorum.
But when is it -ya- or when is it something else? It was explained somehwere before but i can't find it anymore, plus the fact that i still question it, means i still don't understand it. |
alışveriş yapmak istiyorum (has to be like this, the verb istemek doesnt need a suffix on the other word)
yüzmeyi seviyorum (not yüzmeye)
youd say though, yüzmeye gidiyorum= im going to swim
its just like seni and sana
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 05:32 pm |
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Quoting miss_ceyda:
its just like seni and sana |
I do understand the difference between seni and sana, and unless it is used different than English/Dutch in some cases (sana aşığım and not seninle..), i can use them both without making mistakes.
But i don't see the difference between
- yüzmeye
- yüzmeyi
In combination with gitmek and sevmek.. So how to know when to use which?
Also thanks to Mella
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 05:35 pm |
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Ohh wait.. do i understand it correct like this:
Quoting My great mind  :
Yüzmeyi seviyorum because:
Seni seviyorum.
I love to swim
I love you
Both sentences are in accusative state now, which makes yüzmek accusative as seni is accusative too, in combination with the verb -sevmek-
Yüzmeye gidiyorum because:
Sana gidiyorum.
I'm going to swim
I'm going to you
Both sentences are with dative state now.
If i got this correct, can someone make a few more examples like this? With different kinds of verbs i mean
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 05:36 pm |
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 05:37 pm |
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yüzmeyi seviyorum (not yüzmeye)
so is this saying = i love swimming ozur dilerim kafam karisiyor hala i need to see many examples before it will go in sorry guys and girls
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 05:39 pm |
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Quoting deli: yüzmeyi seviyorum (not yüzmeye)
so is this saying = i love swimming ozur dilerim kafam karisiyor hala |
Isn't it more like this:
01. Yüzmek seviyorum = I love swimming
02. Yüzmeyi seviyorum = I love to swim
Or does only number 2 exist and is number 1 not possible?
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 05:47 pm |
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If I remember correctly there is a lot of info to be found on that subject in the Mastar Hali thread.
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 05:51 pm |
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 06:03 pm |
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Quoting Elisa: If I remember correctly there is a lot of info to be found on that subject in the Mastar Hali thread. |
I'll check it out then
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 06:10 pm |
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 06:12 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting Elisa: If I remember correctly there is a lot of info to be found on that subject in the Mastar Hali thread. |
I'll check it out then
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Starts somewhere here actually.
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 06:15 pm |
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Quoting Elisa:
Starts somewhere here actually.
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 06:20 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting Elisa:
Starts somewhere here actually.
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 06:27 pm |
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wads that ??? i felt dizzy
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 06:39 pm |
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 06:42 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: |
i think i set a trend
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 06:47 pm |
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Definetely!
you are the fashion designer of TC!
Cmon guys three times for Deli_Kızın!!
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 06:52 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Definetely!
you are the fashion designer of TC!
Cmon guys three times for Deli_Kızın!!
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Though i think you were very ironic (just like i was ) still thanks
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 07:16 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting SuiGeneris: Definetely!
you are the fashion designer of TC!
Cmon guys three times for Deli_Kızın!!
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Though i think you were very ironic (just like i was ) still thanks |
I agree with SuiG, but use the pink a bit sparingly please 
(except on your nails of course )
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 07:17 pm |
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Quoting ramayan:
wads that ??? i felt dizzy |
You shouldn't have said that, we'll find something more hypnotizing now!
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 07:25 pm |
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Quoting Elisa: I agree with SuiG, but use the pink a bit sparingly please
(except on your nails of course ) |
Ay ay ma'am
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 08:10 pm |
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 08:33 pm |
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Deli_K you started something!!
I almost don't want to post this because Miss_C's post looks so great in the Forums overview
Unless I try a little something..
No, checked it, it was a bit over the top 
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 08:51 pm |
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Quoting Elisa: Deli_K you started something!!
I almost don't want to post this because Miss_C's post looks so great in the Forums overview
Unless I try a little something..
No, checked it, it was a bit over the top
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Hehe yeah it took me some time to be able to read it
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 08:55 pm |
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tell me how to do it its great!
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 08:59 pm |
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Quoting deli: tell me how to do it its great!
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It's easy The text you want to be moving must be put between this:
< marquee > YOUR TEXT < /marquee >
Ofcourse no spaces between marquee and the <>, but otherwise i cant show you
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 09:05 pm |
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hey come on deli kizin you must remember i am a forty three year old dumb blonde what the flippin heck is marquee
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 09:09 pm |
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Quoting deli: hey come on deli kizin you must remember i am a forty three year old dumb blonde what the flippin heck is marquee |
Just do as i said
< marquee > This will move < /marquee > here the moving will stop.
Copy this, but remove the spaces.
Jus try it
Delisin, degil misin??
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 09:32 pm |
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 09:35 pm |
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< marquee > YOUR TEXT < /marquee >
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 09:36 pm |
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Quoting deli: < marquee > YOUR TEXT < /marquee >
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Practise makes art
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 09:37 pm |
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 09:42 pm |
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blah blah i had to write something normally its beginning to give me a head ache i can see it in the chat room , 
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04 Apr 2006 Tue 10:41 pm |
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Quoting deli: blah blah i had to write something normally its beginning to give me a head ache i can see it in the chat room , |
HAHAHAH gingerbread man How nostalgic Class!!
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 01:15 am |
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Yes as Elisa mentioned the thread "Mastar Hali" (from page 9 to 14) has some useful information about accusatives.
On this thread there is also a simple explanation of accusative -i case:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_3621
I should put that information on a webpage or artice for further reference instead continuously repeating myself. Well, yeah I'm a bit lazy.
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 10:01 am |
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Quoting deli: hey come on deli kizin you must remember i am a forty three year old dumb blonde what the flippin heck is marquee |
Deli is not the only dumb blonde on this site! I need some of you English speaking 'foreigners'  to help me out here with some English translations.
What the hell does
Datative
Accusative
Transitive
Mean.
I am afraid that I was educated in an era when they didn't teach us the rules of grammar. We just learned it. I have said this before, some of us learned to speak perfect grammar when we were young (back in the days when TV was black and white, before there were even calculators let alone computers and before man set foot on the moon!)but we didn't learn the names or functions of the grammar rules. So when all you young dudes start talking about grammar rules. I don't know what the hell you are talking about (and I know I'm not the only one) and this makes it even more difficult to apply the rules to Turkish, when us poor English students (of a certain age)can't even understand our own grammar rules. 
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 10:40 am |
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Quoting Lyndie: Quoting deli: hey come on deli kizin you must remember i am a forty three year old dumb blonde what the flippin heck is marquee |
What the hell does
Datative
Accusative
Transitive
Mean.
I am afraid that I was educated in an era when they didn't teach us the rules of grammar. We just learned it. I have said this before, some of us learned to speak perfect grammar when we were young (back in the days when TV was black and white, before there were even calculators let alone computers and before man set foot on the moon!)but we didn't learn the names or functions of the grammar rules. So when all you young dudes start talking about grammar rules. I don't know what the hell you are talking about (and I know I'm not the only one) and this makes it even more difficult to apply the rules to Turkish, when us poor English students (of a certain age)can't even understand our own grammar rules.
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Hi Lyndie
I understand what you mean. I doesn't really have anything to do with begin "young". It depends on the language you're studying. I know what it is because I learnt German. People who studied Latin know it too. But you don't really need to know what it is when studying English, French or Spanish for example.
Here you can find more info on all kinds of cases (many more than you need to know )
You can find a lot of useful info when you google a bit, or follow the external links in Wikipedia.
Elisa
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 01:50 pm |
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Quoting erdinc:
I should put that information on a webpage or artice for further reference instead continuously repeating myself. Well, yeah I'm a bit lazy.
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As a matter of fact i think that would be well appreciated It's much easier to find it when it's under a grammar section than in a forum. Plus, all my bookmarks got erased during a computer-crash of two weeks ago, so all the threads i bookmarked are gone 
But another matter of fact I don't think you're lazy, I'm always surprised where you find the time to answer so complete!
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 02:08 pm |
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Quoting Elisa: It depends on the language you're studying. I know what it is because I learnt German. People who studied Latin know it too. But you don't really need to know what it is when studying English, French or Spanish for example.
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I really agree. Actually every language has the basic ones, but on this website, we tend to use the words that come from Latin. I didn't check Elisa's link yet, but I'm sure it will be really helpful (i actually think all the links you always post are great ), but I thought I'd put it like this to make it a bit more clear, in the basic-stuff:
Latin term English More common
Nominativus Nominative Subject: (he)
Dativus Dative Indirect object: (to him)
Accusativus Accusative Object: (him)
The most common are:
01. Nominative » Ben - okul
02. Genitive » Benim - okulum
03. Dative » Bana - okula
04. Accusative » Beni - okulu
05. Ablative » Bende - okulda
06. Benden - okuldan(I don't know which case this is actually 
1. I - school (subject)
2. My/mine - my school (possessive)
3. To me - to school (direction: to somewhere, or for the benefit of
4. Me - 'school' (object)
5. 'In me' - at school (definition of place or time)
6. From me - From school (a movement away from something, because of)
Obviously i stayed home from school again today, but i'm not ill anymore only an exremely sore throat, and now im bored! But i hope my boredness made u understand it a bit better
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 05:23 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Plus, all my bookmarks got erased during a computer-crash of two weeks ago, so all the threads i bookmarked are gone
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 NIGHTMARE!!!!!!! 
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 05:32 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
I didn't check Elisa's link yet, but I'm sure it will be really helpful (i actually think all the links you always post are great ) |
In my eyes you can't do anything wrong anymore
Quoting Deli_kizin:
The most common are:
01. Nominative » Ben - okul
02. Genitive » Benim - okulum
03. Dative » Bana - okula
04. Accusative » Beni - okulu
05. Ablative » Bende - okulda
06. Benden - okuldan(I don't know which case this is actually |
I think that no. 06 is ablative actually and no. 05 is locative.
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 05:46 pm |
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On the other hand Lyndie, don't think too much about those cases. Study the examples that Deli_K gave, so that you recognize cases, and are able to use the appropriate suffix. That's all you need to know.
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05 Apr 2006 Wed 06:01 pm |
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Oh sorry you are right about that locative and stuff..
Yeah, I sometimes wonder if it simplifies or makes it more difficult to know another language, when u know grammar rules of your own language. Becuase your own rules and 'terms' can be used for different things in other languages. That's why i think raising someone bilengual is a VERY good idea (you understood well that i still kinda blame my parents they didnt raise me in English as wel )
Because in this case you learn fluently, like a native, without having the troubel of being 'stuck' in your own languagerules.
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19 Apr 2006 Wed 02:53 am |
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Deli K and Elisa. thanks so much for that. the link and explanations are very useful and Elisa I think you are right, maybe I should not worry too much about this, just best get on with it
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14 Feb 2010 Sun 01:41 pm |
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didnt work
Edited (2/14/2010) by
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14 Feb 2010 Sun 02:25 pm |
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didnt work
Do you mean the ´moving text´ instructions? Didn´t work for me either - I was quite disappointed  .
I think it´s because the system of adding links to the forums was changed a year or so ago.
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14 Feb 2010 Sun 02:34 pm |
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Do you mean the ´moving text´ instructions? Didn´t work for me either - I was quite disappointed .
I think it´s because the system of adding links to the forums was changed a year or so ago.
Yeap You got it right, I was testing it out but nothing, how dare they spoil my fun 
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14 Feb 2010 Sun 02:47 pm |
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Yeap You got it right, I was testing it out but nothing, how dare they spoil my fun
My thoughts exactly! If I find out how to do it I´ll let you know
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