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Melek74
1506 posts

18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:07 pm

I have a question about the use of the expression ....(adjective) bir Ã¾ekilde ...

I´ve seen it in sentences such as:

"Ahmet üzgün bir Ã¾ekilde cevap verdi", where "üzgün bir Ã¾ekilde" is translated as "sadly";

"O yorgun bir Ã¾ekilde eve döner", where I would imagine "yorgun bir Ã¾ekilde" would be translated simply as "tired".

What I´m trying to understand is if that is the usual way to form adverbs out of adjectives? Can any adjective be used in that expression? For example, can one say: "mutlu bir Ã¾ekilde" for "happily", "uykulu bir Ã¾ekilde" for "sleepily" and "kÃ½zgÃ½n bir Ã¾ekilde" for "angrily? What about adjectives such as "güzel" - can one say "Güzel bir Ã¾ekilde Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi" for "She sung beautifully"?

Thanks.

harp00n
3993 posts

18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:18 pm

Quoting Melek74

I have a question about the use of the expression ....(adjective) bir Ã¾ekilde ...

I´ve seen it in sentences such as:

"Ahmet üzgün bir Ã¾ekilde cevap verdi", where "üzgün bir Ã¾ekilde" is translated as "sadly";

"O yorgun bir Ã¾ekilde eve döner", where I would imagine "yorgun bir Ã¾ekilde" would be translated simply as "tired".

Thanks.

hmmm, i think it´s not a good idea.

Ahmet has answered sadly. You can translate that sentence

"Ahmet üzgün bir Ã¾ekilde cevap verdi"

Ahmet üzgün(ce) cevapladÃ½.

Merih
933 posts

18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:41 pm

Quoting Melek74

I have a question about the use of the expression ....(adjective) bir Ã¾ekilde ...

I´ve seen it in sentences such as:

"Ahmet üzgün bir Ã¾ekilde cevap verdi", where "üzgün bir Ã¾ekilde" is translated as "sadly";

"O yorgun bir Ã¾ekilde eve döner", where I would imagine "yorgun bir Ã¾ekilde" would be translated simply as "tired".

Thanks.

Yes, you can use adjective + bir Ã¾ekilde.. and it is widely used.

harp00n
3993 posts

18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:53 pm

in daily conversation ????? ohh yes we are using in every sentence....

Melek74
1506 posts

18 Jan 2009 Sun 09:17 pm

Thank you both for the responses.

So, just to make sure I understand it, it sounds that this is an acceptable way to express how something is, but it seems that maybe not the most common way. So is adding the -ce/ca, -çe/ça a better way to express the same idea?

In the example I gave initially, would it be more common/correct to say:

"Güzel bir Ã¾ekilde Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi" or "Güzelce Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi" to express "She sung beautifully"?

How about "mutlu" - is it better to say "Mutlu bir Ã¾ekilde geldi" or "Mutluca geldi" for "He came happily".

I understand that this suffix (-ce/ca, -çe/ça) is used for things like nationalities, to say that something is according to somebody (e.g. bence) or that something is "ish" (like çocukça - childish), but I´m still a bit unsure about adding that suffix to regular adjectives.

Merih
933 posts

18 Jan 2009 Sun 09:33 pm

Quoting Melek74

Thank you both for the responses.

In the example I gave initially, would it be more common/correct to say:

"Güzel bir Ã¾ekilde Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi" or "Güzelce Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi" to express "She sung beautifully"?

How about "mutlu" - is it better to say "Mutlu bir Ã¾ekilde geldi" or "Mutluca geldi" for "He came happily".

We don´t say mutluca geldi or güzelce Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi, we always use mutlu bir Ã¾ekilde geldi and güzel bir Ã¾ekilde Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi..

We use it for adj. when we believe that quality is close to the said adj.

slightly beautiful / so so girl (not very beautiful, but not ugly) - güzelce bir kÃ½z

slightly fat man - Ã¾iÃ¾manca bir adam..

a bit saddish expression - üzgünce bir ifade

a plate larger than usual - büyükçe bir tabak

But it is not very common to use it with adj, unless you want to mean it. I hope this makes it clear.

Melek74
1506 posts

18 Jan 2009 Sun 09:36 pm

Quoting Merih

We don´t say mutluca geldi or güzelce Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi, we always use mutlu bir Ã¾ekilde geldi and güzel bir Ã¾ekilde Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi..

We use it for adj. when we believe that quality is close to the said adj.

slightly beautiful / so so girl (not very beautiful, but not ugly) - güzelce bir kÃ½z

slightly fat man - Ã¾iÃ¾manca bir adam..

a bit saddish expression - üzgünce bir ifade

a plate larger than usual - büyükçe bir tabak

But it is not very common to use it with adj, unless you want to mean it. I hope this makes it clear.

It does, thank you very much for your explanations Merih. ${#lang_emotions_flowers}$

Merih
933 posts

18 Jan 2009 Sun 09:38 pm

Quoting Melek74

It does, thank you very much for your explanations Merih. ${#lang_emotions_flowers}$

You´re welcome.

si++
3785 posts

18 Jan 2009 Sun 10:18 pm

Quoting Merih

We don´t say mutluca geldi or güzelce Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi, we always use mutlu bir Ã¾ekilde geldi and güzel bir Ã¾ekilde Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi..

I don´t see anything wrong with mutluca geldi or güzelce Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi. They are correct. They can be used.

We use it for adj. when we believe that quality is close to the said adj.

HÃ½zlÃ½ca soludu

YavaÃ¾ça sÃ½vÃ½Ã¾tÃ½

Güzelce dinlendi

Ãyice emin oldu

etc

slightly beautiful / so so girl (not very beautiful, but not ugly) - güzelce bir kÃ½z

slightly fat man - Ã¾iÃ¾manca bir adam..

a bit saddish expression - üzgünce bir ifade

a plate larger than usual - büyükçe bir tabak

But it is not very common to use it with adj, unless you want to mean it. I hope this makes it clear.

10.

si++
3785 posts

18 Jan 2009 Sun 10:24 pm

What is this admin? My post has been screwed up.

Quoting Merih

We don´t say mutluca geldi or güzelce Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi, we always use mutlu bir Ã¾ekilde geldi and güzel bir Ã¾ekilde Ã¾arkÃ½ söyledi..

We use it for adj. when we believe that quality is close to the said adj.

HÃ½zlÃ½ca soludu

YavaÃ¾ça sÃ½vÃ½Ã¾tÃ½

Güzelce dinlendi

Ãyice emin oldu

etc

slightly beautiful / so so girl (not very beautiful, but not ugly) - güzelce bir kÃ½z

slightly fat man - Ã¾iÃ¾manca bir adam..

a bit saddish expression - üzgünce bir ifade

a plate larger than usual - büyükçe bir tabak

But it is not very common to use it with adj, unless you want to mean it. I hope this makes it clear.

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