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1.       Melek74
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 15 Feb 2009 Sun 07:54 pm

I´ve stumbled upon these sentences in one of the books I´m using:

 

Peki daha önce midenize bir teþhis kondu mu?

and

Evet, daha önce mideme ülser teþhisi kondu.

 

I understand the meaning of the sentences, however I´m confused about the use of "kondu". To make a diagnosis is (according to the dictionary) "teþhis koymak" and based on the dictionary definition the verb "konmak" doesn´t make much sense in this context (at least to me). So I´m wondering if the wrong verb was used in the sentence by mistake and if maybe it should have been "koyuldu" instead?

 

If it is indeed "kondu", I think I´m missing something.

 

Also, in the sentence: "Baþýnýz döndüðunde tok karna günde bir tane için.", the "tok karna" (I believe) means "on a full stomach". However, the dictionary says "tok karnýna" means "on a full stomach" - is it ok to skip the posessive ending in the original sentence or is it an error? 

 

If anybody can shed some light on it, I´d appreciate it.

 

Thanks. 



Edited (2/15/2009) by Melek74 [Just added something.]

2.       dilliduduk
1551 posts
 15 Feb 2009 Sun 08:09 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I´ve stumbled upon this sentence in one of the books I´m using:

 

Peki daha önce midenize bir teþhis kondu mu?

 

I understand the meaning of the sentence, however I´m confused about the use of "kondu" in this sentence. To make a diagnosis is (according to the dictionary) "teþhis koymak" and based on the dictionary definition the verb "konmak" doesn´t make much sense in this context (at least to me). So I´m wondering if the wrong verb was used in the sentence by mistake and if maybe it should have been "koyuldu" instead?

 

If it is indeed "kondu", I think I´m missing something.

 

Also, in the sentence: "Baþýnýz döndüðunde tok karna günde bir tane için.", the "tok karna" (I believe) means "on a full stomach". However, the dictionary says "tok karnýna" means "on a full stomach" - is it ok to skip the posessive ending in the original sentence or is it an error? 

 

If anybody can shed some light on it, I´d appreciate it.

 

Thanks. 

 

about the first sentence:

"konmak" and "koyulmak" are both acceptable passive forms of "koymak", where in the first case you omit the "y" and make the passive. So they are both right and interchangable.

 

And about "tok karna",

I think that´s a mistake, but it is used so commonly that it sounds very normal. But for sure correct one is "tok karnýna".

3.       Melek74
1506 posts
 15 Feb 2009 Sun 08:31 pm

 

Quoting dilliduduk

Thank you so much Dilliduduk.  

 

"konmak" and "koyulmak" are both acceptable passive forms of "koymak", where in the first case you omit the "y" and make the passive.

You can actually do that? Is that common practice? I mean can you do that with any verbs which stem ends in y? For example, duymak, can you make dunmak and duyulmak out of it for passive?

4.       dilliduduk
1551 posts
 15 Feb 2009 Sun 09:11 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

 

Thank you so much Dilliduduk.  

 

"konmak" and "koyulmak" are both acceptable passive forms of "koymak", where in the first case you omit the "y" and make the passive.

You can actually do that? Is that common practice? I mean can you do that with any verbs which stem ends in y? For example, duymak, can you make dunmak and duyulmak out of it for passive?

 

No, no, I think koymak is the only example for such a thing. I don´t know why.

5.       Melek74
1506 posts
 15 Feb 2009 Sun 09:14 pm

 

Quoting dilliduduk

 

 

No, no, I think koymak is the only example for such a thing. I don´t know why.

 

What a relief, I was thinking about shooting myself for a while there. {#lang_emotions_head_bang} One exception I can handle methinks.  

6.       dilliduduk
1551 posts
 15 Feb 2009 Sun 09:19 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

 

 

What a relief, I was thinking about shooting myself for a while there. {#lang_emotions_head_bang} One exception I can handle methinks.  

 

yes relax, there are always small exceptions, and actually Turkish has less exceptions/irregulars than most other languages, for example English.



Edited (2/15/2009) by dilliduduk [typo]

7.       Tazx1
435 posts
 16 Feb 2009 Mon 12:51 am

Angel ... please don´t try and shoot yourself > Çok merak etmeyiniz, yarina kadar de beklemenize rica ederim lutfen. Þimdi çok telaþ ederken ateþ kaçirabiliyacak diye hiç kazanameyacaksiniz?

 

Listen, if you have G.L.Lewis [I think you have], see under ´Passive and Reflexive´, para [137] page 92 [according to my copy] ... there you will find a good explanation.

 

at the end of Lesson 9, see Ex. 9(A), sentence 5.  Aðýriniz geçer, inansiniz.

 

Tazx1



Edited (2/16/2009) by Tazx1 [typo]

8.       Melek74
1506 posts
 16 Feb 2009 Mon 02:05 am

 

Quoting Tazx1

Angel ... please don´t try and shoot yourself > Çok merak etmeyiniz, yarina kadar de beklemenize rica ederim lutfen. Þimdi çok telaþ ederken ateþ kaçirabiliyacak diye hiç kazanameyacaksiniz?

 

Listen, if you have G.L.Lewis [I think you have], see under ´Passive and Reflexive´, para [137] page 92 [according to my copy] ... there you will find a good explanation.

 

at the end of Lesson 9, see Ex. 9(A), sentence 5.  Aðýriniz geçer, inansiniz.

 

Tazx1

 

Is it the Lewis "Turkish Grammar"? I couldn´t find it there, we must have different copies

 

I can live with it being the exception, it works for me. lol

9.       Uzun_Hava
449 posts
 16 Feb 2009 Mon 03:19 am

 

Quoting Melek74

 

 

Is it the Lewis "Turkish Grammar"? I couldn´t find it there, we must have different copies

 

I can live with it being the exception, it works for me. lol

 Melek, senin ek sözluðun benden daha kadar uçuyor.{#lang_emotions_cool}

 

10.       Faruk
1607 posts
 16 Feb 2009 Mon 07:38 am

Konmak has the same meaning of koyulmak. So, it is not a mistake, it is correct. But it is a passive verb.

 

An example:

 

Yemeðe tuz konur - Salt is added to meal.

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