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20.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 11:38 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

 I am yet to hear a Turkish general speak the way I wrote about the issue.

 

 

 

ha ha

well you are a good translater

But the ideas you mentioned above blong to the generals.. Nothing new really..

You dont want me to go and find what the generals said all those years about our kurdish problems for you I hope..



Edited (2/21/2009) by thehandsom

21.       CANLI
5084 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 11:40 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

...

Perhaps I should first note what the Abant Platform is. It is a discussion forum launched in 1998 in order to "allow Turkish intellectuals from all walks of life to come together and talk freely." The idea and the organization belong to none other than the strongest religious community in Turkey: The Fethullah Gülen movement. In a step that some considered a public relations campaign, and others have suspected as an effort to "buy in" the intellectuals, .....

 

....The establishment of an Independent Unified Kurdistan, which will include southeastern Turkey. 

 

The fear is not totally groundless. World War I, which shaped the map of the current Middle East, left the Kurds as a people without a country. They were divided into four states, Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria. At first they were not terribly upset by this setting, because the tides of modern nationalism, which hit other peoples of the region, had not reached them yet. Yet as time went by, national consciousness arose among the Kurds, too, which led them to launch a series of uprisings and guerilla wars against their host states.

 

In return, these host states decided to crush Kurdish nationalism by force, and often ended up in inflaming it. That was the case especially in Turkey. From the 1920s on, Ankara decided to deny the very existence of Kurds, and imposed on them a strict policy of assimilation. The response of the Kurds was to launch more than 20 revolts, the last one being an almost civil war carried out by the terrorist Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK. 

 

After seven decades of forced assimilation, Turkey realized its mistake. Thus, since the 1990s on, the ban on Kurdish language and culture was gradually lifted. Today, besides marginal Turkish nationalists, most people in Turkey do not fear the word "Kurd," as they used to do it in the past. But another term is still anathema and almost un-utterable: Kurdistan, i.e., the land of the Kurds. 

.... No wonder Devlet Bahçeli, the leader of the Nationalist Action Party, or MHP, lambasted Abant organizers as those "who lost their identities." 

 

In order to build reconciliation, both sides would need to take steps. Iraqi Kurds need to convince Turkey that their homegrown "Kurdistan" is not a step for the greater goal of building the Independent Unified Kurdistan. ...

..

The steps Turkey needs to take are, first, to realize that Iraqi Kurdistan is a reality that cannot be denied. Disallowing its name and official status doesn’t help us Turks in any way. We have spent seven decades asserting, "Kurds don’t exist." Now we should not lose more time by asserting, "Kurdistan doesn’t exist." 

 

The second step to take is simply to remember our Ottoman past. In the Ottoman Empire, the region was commonly called "Kurdistan," and nobody had a problem with that. In fact, the empire established an official province of Kurdistan between the years 1847 and 1864, whose capital was transferred several times, first from Ahlat to Van, then to Mus and finally to Diyarbekir. (The name of the latter city was changed into "Diyarbakir" during the republican times.) The term "Kurdistan" continued to be used freely by the Ottomans, who were, unlike their modern Turkish successors, not fearful about the ethnic and religious diversity of their country.

 

In fact this whole Kurdish question hints to us Turks that the ultra-nationalist (and ultra-secularist, for that matter) excesses of our much-praised Republican Revolution needs to be left aside. ...

 

The full article:

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/opinion/11052083.asp?yazarid=301&gid=260

 

 

But till now i dont really get your opinion handsom about that.

Ý mean what do you think ?

Should they establish Kurdistan in north Ýraq -you know its a country without anyone defending it so its easy to do it when US in charge of it - and all Kurd go there ?

Or they should take the land from Türkiye as well and form Kurdistan and Kurd live where they are?

Or they ´Kurd in Türkiye´ should just live as they are within the borders of Türkiye as citizens of Türkiye  ?

 

22.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 11:47 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

But till now i dont really get your opinion handsom about that.

Ý mean what do you think ?

Should they establish Kurdistan in north Ýraq -you know its a country without anyone defending it so its easy to do it when US in charge of it - and all Kurd go there ?

Or they should take the land from Türkiye as well and form Kurdistan and Kurd live where they are?

Or they ´Kurd in Türkiye´ should just live as they are within the borders of Türkiye as citizens of Türkiye  ?

 

If you still dont know my opinion about our Kurdish problem, I would accuse you not reading what I am writing really..

I dont think it isa really that important if there is a Kurdistan in Northern Iraq..

The problem is that why we are getting nervous about it!!

Of course everybody knows the answer:

We treated our kurds as if they are shit for so many years!!! 

That is why we are nervous..

 

23.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 11:50 pm

 Why don´t you answer CANLI´s question properly as to what you think should be done pertaining to what she asked.

Quoting thehandsom

 

If you still dont know my opinion about our Kurdish problem, I would accuse you not reading what I am writing really..

I dont think it isa really that important if there is a Kurdistan in Northern Iraq..

The problem is that why we are getting nervous about it!!

Of course everybody knows the answer:

We treated our kurds as if they are shit for so many years!!! 

That is why we are nervous..

 

 

 

24.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 11:52 pm

Feel free to find whatever you like.

Just make sure you take as much time as did in my reply in comparison to posting an article and suggesting that people read you old posts, when they ask you questions.

 

I know my reply bothered you handsom. And I know why it bothered you as well. It intellectualized your thread for a change.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

ha ha

well you are a good translater

But the ideas you mentioned above blong to the generals.. Nothing new really..

You dont want me to go and find what the generals said all those years about our kurdish problems for you I hope..

 

 

25.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 11:53 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

 Why don´t you answer CANLI´s question properly as to what you think should be done pertaining to what she asked.

 

 

 

Because it was a very simplistic question..

I am sure someone asked the same question before and I answered..

 

26.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 11:54 pm

 Keep avoiding the question dude... it adds to your credibility.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Because it was a very simplistic question..

I am sure someone asked the same question before and I answered..

 

 

 

27.       femmeous
2642 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 11:58 pm

 i personally think theres no answer to that.

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Because it was a very simplistic question..

I am sure someone asked the same question before and I answered..

 

 

 

28.       adana
416 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 11:58 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Because it was a very simplistic question..

I am sure someone asked the same question before and I answered..

 

 

 just observing your´fight´thehandsom you must feel endangered in a way,cynicmystic is more logical and definitely  more intellectual,and he steals all attention so it must be a pain for thehandsom....haha..what you both have in common is ´hot blood´{#lang_emotions_wink}perhaps you should start a new thread

cynicmystic contra handsom????{#lang_emotions_unsure}just a thought



Edited (2/22/2009) by adana [nothing particular]

29.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Feb 2009 Sun 12:02 am

 

Quoting adana

 

 

 just observing your´fight´thehandsom you must feel endangered in a way,cynicmystic is more logical and definitely  more intellectual,and he steals all attention so it must be a pain for thehandsom....haha..what you both have in common is ´hot blood´{#lang_emotions_wink}perhaps you should start a new thread

cynicmystic contra handsom????{#lang_emotions_unsure}just a thought

 

ha ha ha 

I love it..

 

 

 

30.       CANLI
5084 posts
 22 Feb 2009 Sun 12:04 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Because it was a very simplistic question..

I am sure someone asked the same question before and I answered..

 

 

Well, if im asking it to you then surely i dont know the answer.

You have posted something and im asking your opinion about the matter you´ve started.

Your thread name is Welcome to Kurdistan, you are talking about their lands not about how you treated Kurds inside Türkiye

Sure if you dont want to answer it...its up to you.

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