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A Striking Poll About Turks!
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24 Feb 2009 Tue 12:59 am |
How do you guys think this poll should be interpreted?
I dont think anybody has questions about the poll´s finding here.
And I am not sure any of the Turks in TC or even in Turkey will challenge the results.
I am not an expert on how polls should be conducted but Konda is one of the most trustworthy research companies in Turkey.
I think the values from the poll should not be questioned as if it is a result of bogus journalism.
Mltm´s answers were the best and honest answers for example..
She is not questioning if 48% is right down there for instance. She is questioning if it is worrying or not.
significant proportion - 48% - who said the military should intervene "when necessary". So???? This is not worrying.
ps..I am laughing by myself here right now..
I am hoping that some of Turks will join and they will start posting long articles and maps about great Israel and a secret zionist plans to buy lands in south east of Turkey. And you will see with your own eyes how xenophobic some are..
Edited (2/24/2009) by thehandsom
Edited (2/24/2009) by thehandsom
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24 Feb 2009 Tue 01:30 am |
"Turks are xenophobic, socially conservative people who rarely read books, relegate women to second-class status and harbour ambivalent views about democracy, contentious new research has revealed."
I don´t see how these conclusions can be made from the answers given, as reported in the article. For instance, the inhabitants of my town in the UK are against people from out of town coming in and buying second homes. This is because they are contributing to housing shortages and rising prices , which affect the young people who want to get on the housing ladder. Nothing to do with xenophobia and I don´t see this as any different to Turkish people wanting to control property sales to non Turks.
Some might find this article useful, It´s a Journalist´s Guide to Opinion Polls http://www.britishpollingcouncil.org/questions.html
Before I concluded anything, I would want to see a blank copy of the questionnaire. I often find these things rarely ask questions that allow the interviewee to give an exact answer. Often there are leading questions. And some polls are commissioned by businesses/organisations that have an agenda.
Edited (2/24/2009) by peacetrain
Edited (2/24/2009) by peacetrain
[trying to tidy up my mess.]
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24 Feb 2009 Tue 01:53 am |
I think they were the ones that commissioned the poll. It´s interesting that they choose a different headline to the other article. I guess they have to think of ways to persuade people to buy their papers. I´ll read it in full tomorrow.
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24 Feb 2009 Tue 02:06 am |
Quoting mltm Some 73% opposed allowing foreigners to own Turkish land or property Is this xenophobia???
I might add, most countries have laws against foriegners owning property in their countries. In the USA even if you do own property, you do not own the mineral rights....so if a coal country wants the coal under your house, they can get it.
Quoting mltm -Some 73% opposed allowing foreigners to own Turkish land or property
Is this xenophobia???
I might add, most countries have laws against foriegners owning property in their countries. In the USA even if you do own property, you do not own the mineral rights....so if a coal country wants the coal under your house, they can get it.
Quoting mltm -Just under 70% said they never read books
This one is worrying, but nothing new. We all know already that education is a major problem in Turkey.
I don´t particularly find this problematic. A lot of people read trashy books. Still in Turkey people find things to do that in the Western countries are not done...like cook from scratch, make beautiful rugs and carpets.....spend time visiting with each other.
Quoting mltm -72% said they never or rarely bought new hi-tech products as soon they appeared on the market. Could the reason be again financial???
.........and since when is having the latest tech (enviorment polluting energy hogging)gizmo a measure of one´s worth?
Quoting mltm -Many also expressed fears that Turkey´s neighbours planned to carve up the country.
Well, just compare where Turkey geographically stands and where Germany stands. It´s not paranoia.
If one looks at the map for the New Middle East...is there any wonder?
Quoting mltm -while nine out of 10 said they had never taken a holiday abroad.
Could this be simply because they do not have money even for a holiday in their own country?
Probably...even if they wanted to, could they get a visa?
Edited (2/24/2009) by alameda
[clean up ]
Edited (2/24/2009) by alameda
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24 Feb 2009 Tue 02:46 am |
You still have not answered how the poll that I saw about 911 should be interpreted by the way. Did you speed read that part, or you just don´t have any suggestions?
I dont think anybody has questions about the poll´s finding here.
Oh yeah... how do you know that? Are you the advocate responsible for talking on everybody else´s behalf, as usual, around this forum?
And I am not sure any of the Turks in TC or even in Turkey will challenge the results.
Again, what´s up with the self-proclaimed advocacy of talking on behalf of others? Talk for yourself - let others do their own talking without your wise involvement. I already have questioned the results, and so have others. I have also provided the reason why I find the interpretation questionable. What have you provided? Nothing, other than saying what you read about Konda in the article, and how their interpretation should not be questioned for being the most trustworthy research company in Turkey. I had never heard of the name Konda as a research company until reading the article by the way. Had you?
I am not an expert on how polls should be conducted but Konda is one of the most trustworthy research companies in Turkey.
Well, you usually don´t sound like much of an expert on anything other than being blind to the facts under your nose. If you are not an expert on polls, how do you deduce that Konda is one of the best research companies in Turkey? Oh, I see, you read the article... right? And, since when are polls considered a reliable method for constructing generalizations, such as calling Turks or anyone else xenophobic and conservative?
I think the values from the poll should not be questioned as if it is a result of bogus journalism.
Well, according to your logic of illogicality nothing should be questioned - especially if it criticisez Turks & Turkey. Whether bogus or not, poor journalism must be protected & supported at all costs. In fact, we should all erect monuments and hand out prizes in the name of propogating further bogus journalism in the world.
Mltm´s answers were the best and honest answers for example..
Yes, sure, some of mltm´s points were to the point. You still haven´t said a word about some of the other points I have made regarding Turks, xenophobia, conservatism, female prime ministers etc... What happened? Did you speed-read those parts?
She is not questioning if 48% is right down there for instance. She is questioning if it is worrying or not.
significant proportion - 48% - who said the military should intervene "when necessary". So???? This is not worrying.
No, not at all... Why should it be worrying. I am not worried in the least bit. Are you worried? I know what you are going to suggest though. You are going to say that this is the proof that half the Turks are against democracy or are undemocratic, right?
ps..I am laughing by myself here right now..
Well giggling is a common reaction, when one doesn´t truly undestand what one reads. I used to do the same at school, when I was asked a question by the teacher about something on the board that I happened to not have a clue about. I would just smile naively hoping that she would leave me alone. Oooleee salak salak siritirdim.
I am hoping that some of Turks will join and they will start posting long articles and maps about great Israel and a secret zionist plans to buy lands in south east of Turkey. And you will see with your own eyes how xenophobic some are..
Israelis have been buying land, and I gave that example not as a case of Zionism, but as proof that many foreigners are buying & selling land & property in Turkey. Go refer to what I said about reading and not understanding what you read, and stop stuffing words into people´s mouths. Did I mention anything about Zionists? Plus, why does it have to be Turks that have to join in to post articles and maps? Couldn´t others, who don´t happen to be Turks do so as well?
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24 Feb 2009 Tue 03:02 am |
Nobody responded to this. I think the journal or interpreter aim to direct people intenionally. This has nothing to do with xenophobia. By the way whats the percentage of people who expressed their fears, all has percentage but this one is evaded only by “many”, if six thousand people have fear then we have a big problem...
In addition i really want to hear a poll done in European countries if they have xenophobia especially against Turks. Perhaps cynicmystic can answer this as he had travelled many countries in Europe how they view Turks.
Other ones should be at least 47%, thats why today Turkey has a facist government like AKP and thats why Turks havent found any righteous leader throughout the Republic history yet, so it seems democracy is too much for Turkey, we need sharia or dictatorship and i hope AKP will provide this as US and EU supports them. I can understand US, its their politics, they support every obiedent so-called muslim leaders all over the world because these are good slaves, also good at deceiving people with religion and keep them sleep, like Saudi for example...
How exactly is the opinion of 73% being against foreigners owning land & property in Turkey interpreted as xenophobia anyway?
Edited (2/24/2009) by armegon
Edited (2/24/2009) by armegon
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24 Feb 2009 Tue 04:51 am |
Are you a zionist or a nationalist, or an outright denier??? 
You cannot question the result nor the interpretations. It was done by Konda, remember?
No questioning, just accept and confirm... or else...
"Turks are xenophobic, socially conservative people who rarely read books, relegate women to second-class status and harbour ambivalent views about democracy, contentious new research has revealed."
I don´t see how these conclusions can be made from the answers given, as reported in the article. For instance, the inhabitants of my town in the UK are against people from out of town coming in and buying second homes. This is because they are contributing to housing shortages and rising prices , which affect the young people who want to get on the housing ladder. Nothing to do with xenophobia and I don´t see this as any different to Turkish people wanting to control property sales to non Turks.
Some might find this article useful, It´s a Journalist´s Guide to Opinion Polls http://www.britishpollingcouncil.org/questions.html
Before I concluded anything, I would want to see a blank copy of the questionnaire. I often find these things rarely ask questions that allow the interviewee to give an exact answer. Often there are leading questions. And some polls are commissioned by businesses/organisations that have an agenda.
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24 Feb 2009 Tue 09:21 am |
Are you a zionist or a nationalist, or an outright denier??? 
You cannot question the result nor the interpretations. It was done by Konda, remember?
No questioning, just accept and confirm... or else...
I question the interpretation and still have doubts how representative is number 6400 of participants with unknown background (not to mention other details of the survey)for 70 million of population.
Decent polls require at least 10% of participants....In that case how can it be treated seriously?
And you can call me nationalist or whatever
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24 Feb 2009 Tue 11:04 am |
Social polls and statistics give very rough answers, going to abstract conclusions with some specific questions can be very misleading.
With different polls, I´m sure I can get two very opposite conclusions of a same society:
I can get "Turkish people are the most secular people" and by another poll I can get the conclusion: "The majority of turkish people are for Sharia"
Again with different polls, I bet I can have a conclusion that "Turks are the most hospitable people", while with different poll questions, I can conclude that "Turks are xenophobes"
If we want, we can make every single country xenophobe by simply a few polls asking a few questions. I can make France racist, Germany racist, United States racist, Japan racist, every single country.
Polls are the most generalist, simplist and unrealiable way to make abstract conclusions such as xenophobe, racist, happy, sad, hostile, paranoic, hospitable, lovely about a society.
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24 Feb 2009 Tue 12:11 pm |
Social polls and statistics give very rough answers, going to abstract conclusions with some specific questions can be very misleading.
With different polls, I´m sure I can get two very opposite conclusions of a same society:
I can get "Turkish people are the most secular people" and by another poll I can get the conclusion: "The majority of turkish people are for Sharia"
Again with different polls, I bet I can have a conclusion that "Turks are the most hospitable people", while with different poll questions, I can conclude that "Turks are xenophobes"
If we want, we can make every single country xenophobe by simply a few polls asking a few questions. I can make France racist, Germany racist, United States racist, Japan racist, every single country.
Polls are the most generalist, simplist and unrealiable way to make abstract conclusions such as xenophobe, racist, happy, sad, hostile, paranoic, hospitable, lovely about a society.
Apperantly you have no idea about "survey methods". do you think they go to a nationalist village in anatolia and ask people what they think about foreigners? do you think they dont choose samples from every class of societyd every ideology? be sure they must have gone to either Niþantaþý or Yozgat for this poll. do you remember that Konda conducted a poll before 2007 election and its results were the closest to the election´s results.
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