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Is there rights for foreigners in Turkey?
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10.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 09:01 pm

 

Quoting girleegirl

 

 

 NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

 Yeah I know, I know.... dunno who has my brain today!

11.       Trudy
7887 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 09:03 pm

 

Quoting girleegirl

 

 

 

 

 Will this be the MGG logo?

12.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 09:05 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Yeah I know, I know.... dunno who has my brain today!

 

 I think babyglam has it.  {#lang_emotions_scared}

13.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 09:05 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 Will this be the MGG logo?

 

 Yesssssssssss you are a genius

14.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 10:25 pm

Merhaba,

 

Are you a licenced ESL teacher? Do you have a TESOL for example? Or, are we talking about back-packer-turned-ESL teachers here getting hired simply for being exotic native speakers. I personally do not like ESL schools in Turkey hiring unqualified native speakers simply because these individuals happen to be native speakers without a clue about teching a foreign tongue - especially their own. How much experience do you have teaching ESL? Do you speak any other languages? why Turkey? Why not Asia?

 

If you really have a work permit, then you have the same rights as anyone else, which doesn´t add up to much. It doesn´t have much to do with being a foreigner. Being in the court system in Turkey is the same pain in the ass whether you are a Turk or a legal foreigner with a valid work permit.

 

If you provide the list of the schools, then we may be able to help. There are also many forumm  boards on the net for ESL teachers to share resources about such issues. Why don´t you teach ESL in your own country for example? Not that there is anything wrong with teaching in Turkey, but there are far too many people teaching ESL in Turkey simply because they couldn´t get a job in their own countries.

Quoting burnish

Merhaba!

 

Here is a little history on this question-

 

For those who do not know I am planning to become an ESL teacher, well I have found a good ESL program but I have read a lot of horror stories of schools unlawfully breaking their contracts and refusing to pay employees or giving below living pay. Some of these schools are in Turkey and usually do it because the teachers are immigrants (most illegal) and give them below standard pay and threaten with Police or deportation if they try to expose the corruption. So the schools take advantage of their workers. Shame on the schools and illegal workers

 

The Question:

 

I will be a legal ESL teacher so deportation is not a concern. What would happen if I came across a school/employer who tries to pull this stunt? Would I have any right to stand up and report to the authorities and get what is lawfully mine?

 

Thanks!

 

 

15.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 11:15 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

without a clue about teching a foreign tongue -

 

 God man!  You are obsessed! {#lang_emotions_wtf}



Edited (2/26/2009) by TheAenigma

16.       adana
416 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 11:22 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 God man!  You are obsessed! {#lang_emotions_wtf}

 

 Is he?{#lang_emotions_unsure}isn´t he only taking care about quality and purity of foreign language teaching?just showing that it can be biting off more than one can chew{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}A rookie himself???no way!he does not sound like{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

17.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 11:24 pm

 

Quoting adana

 

 

 Is he?{#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

 He talks about tongues at EVERY opportunity! lol

18.       adana
416 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 11:31 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

  tongues at EVERY opportunity! lol

 

 is a tongue a new TC taboo word????well in this case he is such a bolshy one{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

19.       Melek74
1506 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 11:32 pm

I actually agree with Cynic here (in principle, I don´t know anything about ESL in Turkey). I´ve had experience when taking Spanish with a native speaker who was not a trained teacher as well as with a non-native "real" teacher. The only thing going for the native was the pronounciation and the accent. She wasn´t able to explain the grammar at all. Being a native speaker does not make one automatically qualified to teach the language, in my opinion, just as I know I wouldn´t be able to teach anybody Polish. I also had a few Turkish classes with a native speaker, and I encountered the same problem, as she wasn´t able to explain the grammar well and ultimately I think I learned much more by myself (and of course with the help of the wonderful people at TLC) than with her.

20.       adana
416 posts
 26 Feb 2009 Thu 11:40 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I actually agree with Cynic here (in principle, I don´t know anything about ESL in Turkey). I´ve had experience when taking Spanish with a native speaker who was not a trained teacher as well as with a non-native "real" teacher. The only thing going for the native was the pronounciation and the accent. She wasn´t able to explain the grammar at all. Being a native speaker does not make one automatically qualified to teach the language, in my opinion, just as I know I wouldn´t be able to teach anybody Polish. I also had a few Turkish classes with a native speaker, and I encountered the same problem, as she wasn´t able to explain the grammar well and ultimately I think I learned much more by myself (and of course with the help of the wonderful people at TLC) than with her.

 

 Agree,and although I may sound a bit harsh here I do not personally believe that native speakers without university training make good teachers at all,ESL is just not enough.And talking from experience,which I mean knowing a lot of  trained and qualified Turkish teachers of English ,foreigners do not make good teachers.First of all they treat teaching as an adventure to live in Turkey,they have no idea about the system,and they finally have no psychological knowledge and ability to pass linguistic one.

 

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