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Is there rights for foreigners in Turkey?
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26 Feb 2009 Thu 11:40 pm |
I actually agree with Cynic here (in principle, I don´t know anything about ESL in Turkey). I´ve had experience when taking Spanish with a native speaker who was not a trained teacher as well as with a non-native "real" teacher. The only thing going for the native was the pronounciation and the accent. She wasn´t able to explain the grammar at all. Being a native speaker does not make one automatically qualified to teach the language, in my opinion, just as I know I wouldn´t be able to teach anybody Polish. I also had a few Turkish classes with a native speaker, and I encountered the same problem, as she wasn´t able to explain the grammar well and ultimately I think I learned much more by myself (and of course with the help of the wonderful people at TLC) than with her.
Agree,and although I may sound a bit harsh here I do not personally believe that native speakers without university training make good teachers at all,ESL is just not enough.And talking from experience,which I mean knowing a lot of trained and qualified Turkish teachers of English ,foreigners do not make good teachers.First of all they treat teaching as an adventure to live in Turkey,they have no idea about the system,and they finally have no psychological knowledge and ability to pass linguistic one.
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27 Feb 2009 Fri 04:43 am |
I guess Aenigma is striking back.
In order to tech ESL, you should at least have a TESOL certificate, if not more. And that is the most basic certificate you can actually have. You need to be a uni grad to get it though. I have had one for the past 6 years and do teach ESL (for free) once a week to newly landed immigrants here at a local church. I know, it sounds odd, cynic at a church teaching ESL. Call it the community-service-instinct-of-the-asshole-called-cynic.
But, I do have an idea about how being a native speaker of any langauge doesn´t qualify you immediately to be a teacher of that language. After all, I am not a native speaker, but would be able to tell you the history of the English language better than most native speakers I know. I would also be able to explain a lot of the irregulairities of the grammar better as I had to learn them from scratch rather than acquire them naturally as a mother tongue. Additionally, as knowing something doesn´t automatically mean that you will be able to teach it, I took the time to learn how to teach something in a classroom setting.
I cannot stand it when pupils ask a basic question about the grammar and the so called native speaker is tongue tied simply because she doesn´t know what the past participle of an infinitive refers to. Or, when a student asks about ´should´, the native speaker offers the pristine form of ´should of done´ instead of ´should have done´. I am not making these up by the way. There are such teachers in Turkey getting paid to teach English, while they aren´t qualified to teach in their own countries. I am not saying this is something wrong. I just don´t happen to like it. I don´t consider myself an ESL teacher either. I do it for fun. There are teachers in Turkey who have never heard of a ´lesson plan´. They just show up, and assume that the kids are going to learn from them just by listening.
There are a lot of schools in Turkey that hire back-packer-turned-ESL-teachers simply because these indivduals happen to be native speakers. I don´t see the appeal of an Australian, who barely managed to graduate from highschool in Australia, teaching ESL in Turkey.
Edited (2/27/2009) by cynicmystic
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27 Feb 2009 Fri 05:27 am |
I see what they mean about the posts getting totally off-topic (almost immediately...)
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27 Feb 2009 Fri 10:17 pm |
What is off topic here catwoman? I asked for a list of the schools, and that has not been provided. I asked whether he or she is qualified to teach ESL, and that hasn´t been answered either. What is it that you see so off topic in our posts?
I see what they mean about the posts getting totally off-topic (almost immediately...)
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27 Feb 2009 Fri 10:26 pm |
What is off topic here catwoman? I asked for a list of the schools, and that has not been provided. I asked whether he or she is qualified to teach ESL, and that hasn´t been answered either. What is it that you see so off topic in our posts?
It was some silly comments we made Cynic - they have since been deleted, which is why the post seems strange...
EDIT: They are still there!
Edited (2/27/2009) by TheAenigma
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28 Feb 2009 Sat 12:38 am |
They got deleted?
Damn, I missed all the fun again...
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28 Feb 2009 Sat 01:00 am |
EDIT: They are still there!
Arguing with me makes people blind
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28 Feb 2009 Sat 01:07 am |
Arguing with me makes people blind
Be careful what action you equate with going blind
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28 Feb 2009 Sat 01:12 am |
Be careful what action you equate with going blind
We are Turks. ..That thing applies to you Christians.
No Turk is reported ´harmed´ with that action.
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28 Feb 2009 Sat 01:18 am |
Actually, I know all there is to know about the side effects of that ´action´. Being an active actor of that action, I testify, all rumours are true. It shrinks, blisters and you go blind.
I blame the internet.
We are Turks. ..That thing applies to you Christians.
No Turk is reported ´harmed´ with that action.
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28 Feb 2009 Sat 01:22 am |
We are Turks. ..That thing applies to you Christians.
No Turk is reported ´harmed´ with that action.
Haha! I forgot you are Turk........ so no action like that is required
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