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1.       bod
5999 posts
 06 Mar 2009 Fri 10:37 pm

In this lesson the letter J is  described as sounding like the ge in garage

Is that the sound of the English or American pronounciation of ´garage´???

2.       DaveT
70 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 03:03 am

I can´t speak to the British pronunciation, but Turkish "j" corresponds to the most common American pronunciation of the second "g" in "garage".

 

Some Americans do pronounce it with a "d" plus the "g" sound, as you hear in the last sound in the word "judge" but the first pronunciation is more common.

 

The Turkish "j" can also be described as "zh" as in Dr. Zhivago, which although a Russian name, is pronounced correctly by most English speakers.

 

The same sound also occurs as the "z" in azure.

 

Another way of looking at it is that Turkish "Jandarma" is pronounced identically to the French/English "Gendarme" , except for the final "a" vowel in "Jandarma", which is silent in the English.

3.       bod
5999 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 11:11 am

Thanks Dave for the explanation.

 

The British way of saying garage is more like "garidge" whereas the way Americans seems to say the same word is "gararge".

4.       Chinook
7 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 11:17 am

The Turkish letter ´J´ is pronounced as the English words jam and jar and Japan.

 

 

The same sound also occurs as the "z" in azure.

 

This is misleading as the ´z´ in azure is prounced as in the word craze; as is the a in azure by the way



Edited (3/7/2009) by Chinook [Not clear that it is a quote]

5.       Chinook
7 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 11:24 am

The British way of saying garage is more like "garidge" whereas the way Americans seems to say the same word is "gararge".

 

The English pronounce it both ways depending on their regional accent. The first is how you will hear it said in the north of England and the the latter is how you will hear it in the south of England. Wales and Scotland have their own accent variations.



Edited (3/7/2009) by Chinook [It is not clear that it is a quote]

6.       Melek74
1506 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 06:38 pm

 

Quoting Chinook

The Turkish letter ´J´ is pronounced as the English words jam and jar and Japan.

 

 

Not exactly. The words jam, jar, and Japan are pronounced with a slight "d" "preceeding the j.

 

The Turkish "j" is more like "s" in measure or leisure.

 



Edited (3/7/2009) by Melek74

7.       Chinook
7 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 10:33 pm

Thats how you may pronounce J in USA but not in England which is how I and my English neighbours pronouce it and is exactly the same as my neighbours in Turkey pronounce it

8.       Chinook
7 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 10:34 pm

Thats how you may pronounce J in USA but not in England which is how I and my English neighbours pronouce it and is exactly the same as my neighbours in Turkey pronounce it

9.       Melek74
1506 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 10:39 pm

 

Quoting Chinook

Thats how you may pronounce J in USA but not in England which is how I and my English neighbours pronouce it and is exactly the same as my neighbours in Turkey pronounce it

 

That may be how you pronounce it but it surely is not standard English, whether American or British. You can listen to the correct pronounciation on this link:

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jar?qsrc=2888

 

Or you don´t know how to pronounce Turkish "j". 



Edited (3/7/2009) by Melek74

10.       Melek74
1506 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 10:45 pm

 

Quoting bod

In this lesson the letter J is  described as sounding like the ge in garage

Is that the sound of the English or American pronounciation of ´garage´???

 

Here´s a link to Çetin Altan reading the alphabet. You´ll find plenty of examples of that sound under letter J.

 

http://langmedia.fivecolleges.edu/turkish/alfabe/index.html

 

 



Edited (3/7/2009) by Melek74 [Spelling]

11.       DaveT
70 posts
 08 Mar 2009 Sun 02:01 am

 

Quoting Chinook

The Turkish letter ´J´ is pronounced as the English words jam and jar and Japan.

 

 

This is misleading as the ´z´ in azure is prounced as in the word craze; as is the a in azure by the way

 

I´m not sure what dialect of English you speak: certainly no U.S. speakers pronounce the "z" in azure the same as the "z" in craze. As Melek74 notes, the same "zh" sound is heard in leisure and measure.

 

Similarly, in over a year living in eastern Turkey among exclusive Turkish speakers, I never heard anyone pronounce the Turkish "j" like the sound in English jam, jar or Japan. The sound of the English "jar" would be spelled "car" in Turkish, the English "John" is Turkish "Can" etc.

 

 

 

12.       Chinook
7 posts
 08 Mar 2009 Sun 01:49 pm

That may be how you pronounce it but it surely is not standard English

 

 

As an Englishman born and bred please defer to my knowledge of my own language. There is certainly no "D" sound at the beginning. I accept that jam and jar are slightly harsh pronunciations of the Turkish j but the ge in garage is also pronounced the same way. I do not believe that there is an exact match in English . Your measure example is close but has a distinct "S" flowing into "Z"  sound. The nearest is probably as in the French name Jacques.

13.       Melek74
1506 posts
 08 Mar 2009 Sun 03:24 pm

 

Quoting Chinook

That may be how you pronounce it but it surely is not standard English

 

 

As an Englishman born and bred please defer to my knowledge of my own language. There is certainly no "D" sound at the beginning. I accept that jam and jar are slightly harsh pronunciations of the Turkish j but the ge in garage is also pronounced the same way. I do not believe that there is an exact match in English . Your measure example is close but has a distinct "S" flowing into "Z"  sound. The nearest is probably as in the French name Jacques.

 

I´m not going to argue with you about it. I provided you with a link where you can hear the correct pronounciation. If you can´t hear the "d" sound at the beginning of jar, jam, and japan, then it´s your problem not mine. In any case those words are bad examples for the Turkish pronounciation of "j".



Edited (3/8/2009) by Melek74

14.       femmeous
2642 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 01:53 pm

 

Quoting Chinook

Thats how you may pronounce J in USA but not in England which is how I and my English neighbours pronouce it and is exactly the same as my neighbours in Turkey pronounce it

 

what a nonsense! you and your neighbours should look up for some phonetics lessons.

15.       lady in red
6947 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 02:10 pm

 

Quoting DaveT

 

 

I´m not sure what dialect of English you speak: certainly no U.S. speakers pronounce the "z" in azure the same as the "z" in craze. As Melek74 notes, the same "zh" sound is heard in leisure and measure.

 

Similarly, in over a year living in eastern Turkey among exclusive Turkish speakers, I never heard anyone pronounce the Turkish "j" like the sound in English jam, jar or Japan. The sound of the English "jar" would be spelled "car" in Turkish, the English "John" is Turkish "Can" etc.

 

 

 

 

My two pennies worth - I´m English and I live in Turkey.  English´ J ´= Turkish ´C´ (as you say).

 

My name is Jill and my Turkish friends treat it like a Turkish name and pronounce it as  ´Zhill´ (like the Dr Zhivago pronounciation mentioned earlier) If I told them it was spelled Cill then they would probably call me Jill!

 

I have also never heard the Turkish ´J´ pronounced like the ´j´ in jam or jar.

 

16.       femmeous
2642 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 02:37 pm

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Quoting lady in red

 

 

My two pennies worth - I´m English and I live in Turkey.  English´ J ´= Turkish ´C´ (as you say).

 

My name is Jill and my Turkish friends treat it like a Turkish name and pronounce it as  ´Zhill´ (like the Dr Zhivago pronounciation mentioned earlier) If I told them it was spelled Cill then they would probably call me Jill!

 

I have also never heard the Turkish ´J´ pronounced like the ´j´ in jam or jar.

 

 

 

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