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I don´t understand my Turkish boyfriend
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40.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 05:08 pm

 

Quoting rezzyrezzy

Just to clarify the situation, everyone is under the assumption that I am female, for some reason.  I´m male, 53 years old wife and teenage child.

 

 Yes I noticed that you called your self a "guy" but everyone was calling you "she"!! lollollol

41.       rezzyrezzy
15 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 05:23 pm

Quote: Yes I noticed that you called your self a "guy" but everyone was calling you "she"!!

 

    It seems that it´s unusual for a man to have any interest in these issues.



Edited (3/29/2009) by rezzyrezzy [sense]

42.       nemorino
2 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 06:01 pm

Isn´t this just how lots of men (of any background) behave (or would behave) if they can get away with it? In Britain, they even made a TV comedy out of it (Men behaving badly).  Lots of men choose not to behave like this, of course, but it all comes back to cultural attitudes which privilege boy children over girl children.

 

If we bring our sons up to think they´re little princes, they´re going to behave like it. And the people who benefit from this arrangement (males) will seek to perpetuate this attitude for as long as possible.

 

And let´s not  forget that it was only relatively recently even in Britain that a woman was considered the property of her husband or father, had no legal right to her own property etc. etc. 

 

It´s called patriarchy, whence sexism. England has only had equal pay legislation since 1976! 

43.       rezzyrezzy
15 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 06:27 pm

Quote:

" but it all comes back to cultural attitudes which privilege boy children over girl children"

 

Exactly my point. We are not talking about the average "dumbass" here, but specifically about Turkish boyfriends. All cultures have their share of idiot Macho men, but the "machoness´ seems endemic in Turkish culture. That coupled with the perception ( by Turks), that foreigners are inferior, makes for a pretty bad mix.  Have a look at the report I quoted earlier (schoolbooks). 

44.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 07:47 pm

 

Quoting libralady

I think what Rezzy has written is a very interesting observation and she is not stereotyping Turkish men at all!   

 

 Really???  {#emotions_dlg.wtf}

                                                                                  

Quoting rezzyrezzy

 

turkish men, and their ilk, have ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for women or their rights.

Quoting rezzyrezzy

                                                                          

i am well aware that i sound like a bigot,

 

Quoting rezzyrezzy

 

It IS a Turkish thing                                             

                                                          

Quoting rezzyrezzy

 

but the "machoness´ seems endemic in Turkish culture. That coupled with the perception ( by Turks), that foreigners are inferior, makes for a pretty bad mix. 

 



Edited (3/29/2009) by girleegirl [formatting]
Edited (3/29/2009) by girleegirl [offfffffffffff....why is formatting so messed up!!! ]

45.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 07:58 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 I agree with you completely actually, and am a bit surprised at GG´s comments. 

 

 I don’t know what is so surprising about my comments.  Yes, we consistently see posts from women crying about their situations with dudu’s…..but we also consistently see women who are not taking responsibility for their own part in it.

If you go into a relationship and move to a country where you do not know the language and have to rely on your man to do everything for you…then you have to take responsibility for your isolation.   

We do not know, from the original message, what the entirety of the situation is.  To me, jumping to the conclusion that it is emotional abuse, based on the very limited amount of information....is quite a big leap.

46.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 08:54 pm

 

Quoting rezzyrezzy

Quote:

" but it all comes back to cultural attitudes which privilege boy children over girl children"

 

Exactly my point. We are not talking about the average "dumbass" here, but specifically about Turkish boyfriends. All cultures have their share of idiot Macho men, but the "machoness´ seems endemic in Turkish culture. That coupled with the perception ( by Turks), that foreigners are inferior, makes for a pretty bad mix.  Have a look at the report I quoted earlier (schoolbooks). 

 

I think you are missing a few points here..

First of all, being a macho man is not charactheristic of Turkish men  only but almost every men in the region of Middle East and most part of Asia..

Also being an islamic society has had its effects as well as far as the equality of women and men is concerned..

The other important part is the level of culture of the men you are dealing with..I am not going to go and try to prove that we are  a country NOT full of macho men but the when the level of the culture goes up, the abuse of women´s rights drops down (at least it should be the case ) so as the machoism at that respect..

And I will also challenge your conclusion about  Turkish men think that foreigners are inferior.. I am not entirely sure what sort of Turks you have been encountered so far but again it is a matter of culture of the men you are dealing with. Most of us wont think the same way..

And when it comes to the individual case you are talking about, excuse me asking this but is this girl having a low IQ?

What does she waiting for to finish that relationship?

He is showing every single indication that there is nothing between them, why is your friend not getting it?

And one more note, a real Turkish man would not accept that type of help you are giving, from any other man. 

If I were you, I would be quite careful about those helps.. Because most of the Turkish men would be quite picky about these things and will write off a relationship straight away  if they see the same man is turning up with help when necessary.

47.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 08:59 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

 

I think you are missing a few points here..

First of all, being a macho man is not charactheristic of Turkish men  only but almost every men in the region of Middle East and most part of Asia..

Also being an islamic society has had its effects as well as far as the equality of women and men is concerned..

The other important part is the level of culture of the men you are dealing with..I am not going to go and try to prove that we are  a country NOT full of macho men but the when the level of the culture goes up, the abuse of women´s rights drops down (at least it should be the case ) so as the machoism at that respect..

And I will also challenge your conclusion about  Turkish men think that foreigners are inferior.. I am not entirely sure what sort of Turks you have been encountered so far but again it is a matter of culture of the men you are dealing with. Most of us wont think the same way..

And when it comes to the individual case you are talking about, excuse me asking this but is this girl having a low IQ?

What does she waiting for to finish that relationship?

He is showing every single indication that there is nothing between them, why is your friend not getting it?

And one more note, a real Turkish man would not accept that type of help you are giving, from any other man. 

If I were you, I would be quite careful about those helps.. Because most of the Turkish men would be quite picky about these things and will write off a relationship straight away  if they see the same man is turning up with help when necessary.

 

 

 

it seems like the elections made theH quite nationalistic today<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

48.       libralady
5152 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 11:28 pm

 

Quoting rezzyrezzy

Just to clarify the situation, everyone is under the assumption that I am female, for some reason.  I´m male, 53 years old wife and teenage child.

 

 Oooooops Sorry Confused I suppose I was generalising - it is normally women who write these sort of things, and it is not unusual for a girl to call herself a guy - as in you guys (if I start to explain the hole gets bigger <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'>)

49.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 11:30 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 Oooooops Sorry Confused I suppose I was generalising - it is normally women who write these sort of things, and it is not unusual for a girl to call herself a guy - as in you guys (if I start to explain the hole gets bigger <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'>)

 

Ha ha..

LL you completely lost me here 

50.       libralady
5152 posts
 29 Mar 2009 Sun 11:34 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Ha ha..

LL you completely lost me here 

 

And you were not already lost ?? Big smile

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