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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Mar 2009 Mon 08:47 pm

Judiciary and state behind alienation of non-Muslims

 

Members of the Turkish Economic and Social Studies Foundation introduced a report on Saturday about the obstacles facing ethnic minorities in Turkey, stating that non-Muslim Turks still face anti-democratic practices.

Turkey´s non-Muslim communities have been alienated, and it was done by the state and judiciary, ....

"In the 1930s, it became evident that pushing or directly forcing the few non-Muslims left in Turkey to abandon the country was an explicit state policy," said Kezban Hatemi, the co-author of the report, titled "The Story of an Alien(ation): Real Estate Ownership Problems of Non-Muslim Foundations and Communities in Turkey," which was released on Saturday as part of the democratization program of the Turkish Economic and Social Studies Foundation (TESEV). ....

 

One example she gave was the Civil Code of 1926 that pruned minority rights granted in the Treaty of Lausanne, which adopted the principle that the status granted to Muslim citizens in terms of religious rights and liberties should also be granted to non-Muslim citizens.

 

Only a short while after the Treaty of Lausanne, it became obvious that the state did not intend to implement the rights it was supposed to give, she said,...

 

..The Tuzla Armenian Children’s Camp is one of the most striking and heartbreaking examples of the seizure of properties from the Armenian non-Muslim foundations,she added, pointing out that Hrant Dink, a Turkish-Armenian journalist murdered in 2007, was among the first group of children who built the camp, which he later managed with his wife for many years.

 

Dilek Kurban, co-author of the report, said that when Turkey became a candidate for European Union membership, it became evident that it was not possible to sustain this state policy toward non-Muslim communities. ....

 

 

The report also pointed out that the Justice and Development Party (AK Party), which came to power in 2002, made several amendments to the Law on Foundations in order to solve the problem. In February 2008, after strong opposition from nationalist elements within Parliament, ....

 

Part of the investigation has suggested that there may be links between Ergenekon and the self-declared Turkish Orthodox Patriarchate run by the Erenerol family. On behalf of the Fener Greek Orthodox Patriarchate, based in what is now Istanbul since A.D. 356, Hatemi, an attorney, has long been asking the courts to return four churches confiscated by the fake patriarchate in the mid-1920s.

 

The Fener Greek Orthodox Patriarchate once had 90 churches in Istanbul and on the islands of Gökçeada (Imbros) and Bozcaada (Tenedos), the deeds of which belong to the foundation of each church.

 

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While non-Muslim foundations win in the European court, Turkey is losing. And the money is paid out of the taxpayers’ pockets. All Turkish citizens should be concerned about this, he said.

 

Full article:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=169711

 

 

2.       femmeous
2642 posts
 16 Mar 2009 Mon 10:54 pm

a secular state of turkey!

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 16 Mar 2009 Mon 10:57 pm

First of all, I am amazed that Zaman would post an article like that! Anybody has an explanation for that?

 

Secondly, although I completely sympathize with Turkish people´s frustration with the corrupt membership process of the EU, this is just one of many examples that looking at the direction of Europe is so good for Turkey..

4.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 16 Mar 2009 Mon 11:21 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

First of all, I am amazed that Zaman would post an article like that! Anybody has an explanation for that?

 

 

here is the explanation; zaman is owned by the kurdish islamic terrorist leader fetullah gulen who is supported by america.

 

did you notice something weird about the article? It doesn`t even mention about Alevis who constitute the biggest and most oppressed religious minority in Turkey. There are more than 10 millions of Alevis in Turkey, and they don`t even have right to construct buildings for worship.

 

Alevis got genocided, they got massacred so many times, but zaman will never talk about them just because they are turks, they don`t have terrorist organizations, and they don`t want to split Turkey.

 

5.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 16 Mar 2009 Mon 11:37 pm

Very good point, and an answer to cat...

Just a correction though; there are Kurdish Alevis, as well as Turkish ones... And they get along really well...

But, such logical questions, like the ones you posed, are beyond the scope of Zaman... 

Quoting tamikidakika

 

here is the explanation; zaman is owned by the kurdish islamic terrorist leader fetullah gulen who is supported by america.

 

did you notice something weird about the article? It doesn`t even mention about Alevis who constitute the biggest and most oppressed religious minority in Turkey. There are more than 10 millions of Alevis in Turkey, and they don`t even have right to construct buildings for worship.

 

Alevis got genocided, they got massacred so many times, but zaman will never talk about them just because they are turks, they don`t have terrorist organizations, and they don`t want to split Turkey.

 

 

 

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Mar 2009 Tue 10:18 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

 

here is the explanation; zaman is owned by the kurdish islamic terrorist leader fetullah gulen who is supported by america.

 

did you notice something weird about the article? It doesn`t even mention about Alevis who constitute the biggest and most oppressed religious minority in Turkey. There are more than 10 millions of Alevis in Turkey, and they don`t even have right to construct buildings for worship.

 

Alevis got genocided, they got massacred so many times, but zaman will never talk about them just because they are turks, they don`t have terrorist organizations, and they don`t want to split Turkey.

 

 

It was about NON-MUSLIMS and how our state did not comply with the international agreements!!

Not about generically who is oppressed or alienated.. 

Dohhh!!

 

7.       femmeous
2642 posts
 17 Mar 2009 Tue 11:15 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

It was about NON-MUSLIMS and how our state did not comply with the international agreements!!

Not about generically who is oppressed or alienated.. 

Dohhh!!

 

 

 it seems like the logics are beyond of our young and knowledgable members lol

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Mar 2009 Tue 11:48 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 

 

 it seems like the logics are beyond of our young and knowledgable members lol

 

What knowledge ya Femme? 

These are the by-products of  "propaganda for Turks done by Turks".

They, unfortunately, belong to our lost generation!  

9.       femmeous
2642 posts
 17 Mar 2009 Tue 11:52 am

 i dont know anything about your lost generation

but there are lots of lost females here claiming that young turks are wonderful and their knowledge and style are something divine

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

What knowledge ya Femme? 

These are the by-products of  "propaganda for Turks done by Turks".

They, unfortunately, belong to our lost generation!  

 

 



Edited (3/17/2009) by femmeous

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Mar 2009 Tue 11:55 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 i dont know anything about your lost generation

but there are lots of females here claiming that young turks are wonderful and their knowledge and style are something divine

 

 

 

Well, I would like to think, I do know something about the my country´s lost generation..

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