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Why Turkey and the EU need each other
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30.       Kaya´08
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 30 Mar 2009 Mon 12:14 pm

First of all Adana, the benefits of Europe are no less beneficial for us if the large European countries are opposed to our entrance or not. At the end of the day, they do not have veto powers to stop our accession, and neither can they alone stop our accession. Plus, we have the backing of Britain which you fail to mention.

 

Of course Turkey needs such a democracy, or have you forgotten the importance of democracy within our independant state? Improvement of democracy means improvement of political freedoms and civil rights for everybody to in joy, be it gay or lesbian, christian, muslim or Jew. How can you even question such a thing? Are you forgetting the work of our founding father?

 

A new colonisation era? Intregrating within a continent of modernized, advanced civilizations in no part entails colonisation. Where have you got this from? Inorder for us to feel like insiders in Europe, changes must be made at home. That includes reforms and modernization within our society. A westernized democracy and society is whats neccessary to make turks feel more at home in Europe, and there failure to integrate into places such as Germany is evident our society is not as modern as we should be. Therefore, yes, feeling at home in Europe is neccessary.

 

Though you state quiet correctly turkey can grow without Europe, you clearly have little idea on the workings or point of the EU. If we compared Turkey to how it is now, to what a European Turkey could be like, you"ll notice statistically Turkey will have a much bigger potential of becoming a power within Europe, and a bigger one.

 

EU new colony? You lack of knowledge on the union is evident in your statements. Infact its pretty amusing. I wont even referr to your other comments on european crusaders or european collapse as you english is so aweful i cant understand fully what you said. Clearly your backward mentality is preventing you from seeing Turkey needs the EU to modernize, and progess, something you obviously do not wish turkey to do.

 

Thanks for your childish comeback at my posts, im hopeful ill hear more in the future

31.       adana
416 posts
 30 Mar 2009 Mon 01:31 pm

 

Quoting Kaya´08

First of all Adana, the benefits of Europe are no less beneficial for us if the large European countries are opposed to our entrance or not. At the end of the day, they do not have veto powers to stop our accession have you ever thought that in case of referendum veto will increase?, and neither can they alone stop our accession. Plus, we have the backing of Britain which you fail to mention.And the support of Poland,which you fail to mention as well

 

Of course Turkey needs such a democracy, or have you forgotten the importance of democracy within our independant state? Improvement of democracy means improvement of political freedoms and civil rights for everybody to in joy, be it gay or lesbian, christian, muslim or Jew. How can you even question such a thing? Are you forgetting the work of our founding father?Never but how can mentality of religious people suddenly trigger secular thinking?

 

A new colonisation era? Intregrating within a continent of modernized, advanced civilizations in no part entails colonisation. Where have you got this from? Inorder for us to feel like insiders in Europe, changes must be made at home.  I Always kept on repeating that Turkey has enough power itself to make all neccessary changes That includes reforms and modernization within our society. A westernized democracy and society is whats neccessary to make turks feel more at home in Europe, and there failure to integrate into places such as Germany is evident our society is not as modern as we should be. Therefore, yes, feeling at home in Europe is neccessary. Isn´t it general attitude to Turkey in Europe that makes you not feeling at home?

 

Though you state quiet correctly turkey can grow without Europe, you clearly have little idea on the workings or point of the EU. If we compared Turkey to how it is now, to what a European Turkey could be like, you"ll notice statistically Turkey will have a much bigger potential of becoming a power within Europe, and a bigger one. I noticed ,and also noticed European fear of it

 

EU new colony? You lack of knowledge on the union is evident in your statements. I live in Eu member state,seeing benefits and drawbacks for our economy.Infact its pretty amusing.  Thank you -it was my goal to amuse I wont even referr to your other comments on european crusaders  I only wonder if Turks like  their land  being bought by foreigners?or european collapse-13 American states also wants  sovereignty,just a thought.. as you english is so aweful yours is awesome)i cant understand fully what you said. Clearly your backward mentality ....ouch) I will melt if you call me a nationalist is preventing you from seeing Turkey needs the EU to modernize, and progess, something you obviously do not wish turkey to do.You jump into conclusions very fast ,unfortunately wrong ones.I did not say or even had the slightest idea that Turkey should not modernise and progress.Personally I am for Turkey in EU,free travelling ,work access and settlement. I am only trying to show general European  biased tendency against its access.You follow euphoria of EU committee distracted a bit now by the Czech Republic goverment crisis.

Are you blind not to see that in Europe Turkey is considered Asian,Islamic ,backward country by ordinary  Europeans if you like it or not and media do not create positive picture of Turkey.

Just to your knowledge I strongly oppose such thinking but ppl who think Turkey should be part of EU are in minority.

 Thanks for your childish comeback at my posts, im hopeful ill hear more in the future

you wish you have)

BTW welcome to TCL again)

and have a nice day!

 

 

32.       Kaya´08
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 30 Mar 2009 Mon 01:54 pm

If you look at turkish areas in Europe, such as Berlin and certain parts of Belgium, you´ll realize integration has failed significantly; this isnt because of European attitudes alone, but the Turks feeling like outsiders in Europe, because of our politics in Turkey which has not yet fully integrated with Europe (which affects society, and its ability to integrate with the rest of Europe and taditional European society which Turkey has yet to evolve).

 

Only the large European economies, with the exception of Britain, see Turkey´s admission as a threat, because they know once Turkey gets in, all the investment will be redirected to Turkey and countries like France and Germany, and Spain, will mainly miss out on it. Of course, they also have a fair for muslim countries although thats nothing to worry about considering Turkey´s mild approach to the religion (and again, only 20% of all those in Turkey actually practise islam, and 90% claim there muslim).

My friend, im British, i was born in England and i continue to live there, and i am European. Take my word for it.

Joining the European union is not selling Turkey. Yes, some soviergn will be compromised, but to a minimal effect, and Turkey does not need to cooperate with the union if its will is against it. It can also pull out if it believes the EU is a threat to our independance.

 

You right, however, that there is a painted picture of Turkey being somewhat backwards at times. However, our influence in the region has grown dramatically, and its become evident everywhere that people have realized Turkey´s true economic potential and growth, abroad and in Europe. To say Turkey is a Asian country is a gross misconclusion, considering its actually Caucasian, Eurasian and Mediterranean. And secondly, just open your eyes a bit. The media over the past year have painted very positive images of Turkey, especially since the Obama administration. Turkeys image at home and abroad is evolving, and very dramatically. 

Evidence of this can be seen in Europe too, who made a recent announcement that Turkey, Macedonia and Croatia are on track for gaining membership.

 

http://arama.hurriyet.com.tr/arsivnews.aspx?id=11310897

 

With normalization effors going on at Yerevan, the Nabucco gas line, our efforts in NATO, iraq, and Afghanistan,  we are proving a huge success in the international community, and the end to the made up typical image of Turkey being an uneducated muslim nation somewhere in the ME

33.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 30 Mar 2009 Mon 06:08 pm

 

Quoting Kaya´08

My friend, im British, i was born in England and i continue to live there, and i am European. Take my word for it.

 

 I am very surprised to hear this

The phraseology and grammar in your posts are NOT native English...

34.       adana
416 posts
 30 Mar 2009 Mon 07:50 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 I am very surprised to hear this

The phraseology and grammar in your posts are NOT native English...

 

 Are we all hoodwinked into believing ?or perhaps Mr/Mrs Kaya leads us all up the garden path?Unsure

35.       alameda
3499 posts
 30 Mar 2009 Mon 08:15 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 I am very surprised to hear this

The phraseology and grammar in your posts are NOT native English...

 

 I noticed that too. It seems there is something in the name that is creating an error. There is a member called kaya and this one Kaya´08...different members.



Edited (3/30/2009) by alameda [spell]

36.       libralady
5152 posts
 30 Mar 2009 Mon 08:42 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I wouldn´t mind Turkey´s accession to the EU but I doubt it´s soon possible with the army influence on Turkish democracy, Turkish-Kurish relations and human rights issue. I wonder how true the "Turkey will provide labour force and a breeze of youth into auld ageing Europe" is. For now even that small European population has outgrown the job market and unemployment rates in all EU countries is going up.

 

 Have to totaly agree with you on this, considering that Romania and Bulgaria are still under labour movement restrictions and will remain so for the next few years.  I was on a committee (in the UK to look at removing restrictions here) recently where this was debated in relation to construction, and our recommendation was that the restriction should be lifted more over due to the vulnerability of the workforce that these restrictions create in health & safety terms, but the government did not take our recommendations seriously and carried on with the restrictions.

 

No country in the current EU will allow Turkey´s population freedom of movment across the EU whilst it is in the grips of a severe recession.

 

But looking at it conversely, would Turkey allow freedom of labour movement into Turkey and other Eruopeans taking Turkish jobs in the tourist industry for instance? 



Edited (3/30/2009) by libralady [Added a sentance]

37.       Kaya´08
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 30 Mar 2009 Mon 09:37 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

 I noticed that too. It seems there is something in the name that is creating an error. There is a member called kaya and this one Kaya´08...different members.

 

No...i signed up for the first time a few days ago, and yes, i am native to Britian. Any more insignificant opinions you´d like to share?

38.       lady in red
6947 posts
 30 Mar 2009 Mon 10:25 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

 I noticed that too. It seems there is something in the name that is creating an error. There is a member called kaya and this one Kaya´08...different members.

 

Yes Alameda there does appear to be a problem where 2 members profiles seem to have merged.  If you click on Kaya´08´s name in any forum post you get the details for Kaya...but if you click on his name in the User Statistics panel you get details for Kaya´08.  I have reported it to main Admin to see if he can fix it.

39.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 30 Mar 2009 Mon 10:48 pm

 

Quoting Kaya´08

 

 

No...i signed up for the first time a few days ago, and yes, i am native to Britian. Any more insignificant opinions you´d like to share?

 

 Why is your grammar and phraseology so "unEnglish" then?   Sorry for my insignificant opinon...

40.       adana
416 posts
 30 Mar 2009 Mon 11:17 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Why is your grammar and phraseology so "unEnglish" then?   Sorry for my insignificant opinon...

 

 why are you picking on AE?

Can´t you recognize this Euroasian,Caucasian,Balkan,Mediterranean,native to Britain pidgin?WinkSorry for another insignificant opinion.....



Edited (3/30/2009) by adana
Edited (3/30/2009) by adana [just teasing) is it clear enough for LIR???]

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