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Denial versus freedom of speech
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:44 pm |
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No? What about the impossibility of building churches / holding a Christian servive in quite some Arab countries? What about the denial of many Muslims of the Holocaust? What about the 58/66% Turks (see topic ´Survey´ that don´t want to live next door to a Christian/Jew? What about the demand of some countries (e.g. S.A., Iran) that visitors should dress according to their beliefs?
Turn it otherwise, dear Canli, what if in ´Western´ countries mosques were forbidden? What if people say I don´t want to live next door to a Muslim? (Yes, it happens, also in my country, and if they act like they think - no renting a flat to one or so - they´re punished because of discrimination). What if in other countries ALL Islamic dresscode is formidden, from burka via djellabah to headscarf, everywhere, also on the streets? If that happened, the world is too small for protests from Muslims. (And right they are.) Just don´t pretend to be so human, so kind because you very well know there are loads of things wrong.
You are now mixing things Trudy!
First, Forced means forced...
We dont say its either our religion or not so i would say they are depressed or something and they wanted to take it out so the made those cartoons !
Second, its not logic that you come to a country where in its constitution saying that by law it is an Ãslamic country, then you complains about its system !
Third, Holocaust is not God or something, so by all means everyone can have the right to talk about it, have opinions or what so ever
How come you have the right to think about the existence of your god and you dont have same right about something happened in the history ?!
History says, it happened, if some people says it doesnt so who would be considered like a fool ?!
Ãts not a holly thing, and if its allowed that you doubt holly things by your law, how is it not allowed you doubt anything else
Do you find that logic ?
As principle...is it ?!
à dont deny it, because history says it happened, from other sources than the jewish too, but at same time i have no way to understand how come denying it became a crime !
Fourth...what makes you think that i pretend to be so human and so kind... as a matter of fact... i am  lol
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:48 pm |
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Second, its not logic that you come to a country where in its constitution saying that by law it is an Ãslamic country, then you complains about its system !
So by the same logic, if you come to a European country, in which it is NORMAL to mock religion, you have to accept that this is how things are done there. You have no right to complain!
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:49 pm |
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And you really belief that all those protesters in every country burning flags, threatening Westerners, blocking embassies, calling for banning products etc have seen the cartoons themselves? They are all genuine insulted themselves? Not instigated by some hotheaded imams and/or politicians?
Actually yes.
We saw it, once our countries started to complain about them to the Denmark govrnment...and by no way we didnt need imam to tell us to protest about that !
Ban the product and have nothing to do with anything relatd to the country that allowed insulting our prophet SAV.
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:53 pm |
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Actually yes.
We saw it, once our countries started to complain about them to the Denmark govrnment...and by no way we didnt need imam to tell us to protest about that !
Ban the product and have nothing to do with anything relatd to the country that allowed insulting our prophet SAV.
Including the 20-30% of people in Egypt that are illiterate? Or the more than 50% in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:55 pm |
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Second, its not logic that you come to a country where in its constitution saying that by law it is an Ãslamic country, then you complains about its system !
So by the same logic, if you come to a European country, in which it is NORMAL to mock religion, you have to accept that this is how things are done there. You have no right to complain!
Very well said, CW!  That´s exactly what I mean.
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:56 pm |
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Including the 20-30% of people in Egypt that are illiterate? Or the more than 50% in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
Yes my dear, they have eyes and they can see.
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:02 pm |
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Second, its not logic that you come to a country where in its constitution saying that by law it is an Ãslamic country, then you complains about its system !
So by the same logic, if you come to a European country, in which it is NORMAL to mock religion, you have to accept that this is how things are done there. You have no right to complain!
Ãts not about the Muslims people who are living in Denmark complaining about the cartoon insulting their religion
World isnt that small any more
à havent been to Denmark but i knew about it, and i live far away from it
Ãt was addressed to the whole Muslims and its matter of whole Muslims too, the insulted our prophet
How come you say its normal to mock my religion ?!
Our prophet to us is dearer than our father or our mother, so how come do you accept Muslims to accept that ?!
And if those people made that cartoon to mock our prophet, then they must understand this
Or do you want to tell me they are bunch of crazy people who say or draw something they dont know nor understand ?!!
Edited (6/1/2009) by CANLI
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:04 pm |
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Yes my dear, they have eyes and they can see.
Sure they can but I still doubt that in dirt-poor villages people care about buying a newspaper instead of bread/rice. An Afghan student of mine told me that in a lot of mountain villages there is no electricity, so no tv as well nor are newspapers widely available. My guess is that politicians and imams took the opportunity to use it for their own goals. Why I think that? Because these cartoons were almost a year old before that imam in Denmark made a fuss about it which caused the uproar.
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:09 pm |
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Ãts not about the Muslims people who are living in Denmark complaining about the cartoon insulting their religion
World isnt that small any more
à havent been to Denmark but i knew about it, and i live far away from it
Ãt was addressed to the whole Muslims and its matter of whole Muslims too, the insulted our prophet
How come you say its normal to mock my religion ?!
Our prophet to us is dearer than our father or our mother, so how come do you accept Muslims to accept that ?!
And if those people made that cartoon to mock our prophet, then they must understand this
Or do you want to tell me they are bunch of crazy people who say or draw something they dont know nor understand ?!!
Tell me, why should YOU in YOUR country mind about MY laws, MY belief and culture or otherwise around? In your country you are free to say what you wish according to your laws and if I feel insulted than that is my problem, not yours. I get the feeling I have to be careful here with what I say and feel because someone in Faraway-istan might get angry or insulted. Sorry, for me it doesn´t work that way.
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:19 pm |
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Ãts not about the Muslims people who are living in Denmark complaining about the cartoon insulting their religion
World isnt that small any more
à havent been to Denmark but i knew about it, and i live far away from it
Ãt was addressed to the whole Muslims and its matter of whole Muslims too, the insulted our prophet
How come you say its normal to mock my religion ?!
Our prophet to us is dearer than our father or our mother, so how come do you accept Muslims to accept that ?!
And if those people made that cartoon to mock our prophet, then they must understand this
Or do you want to tell me they are bunch of crazy people who say or draw something they dont know nor understand ?!!
Yes Canli, it is NORMAL in Europe to mock ANY religion. It may seem strange to you, but that is how it is. We also know what is going on in YOUR country, even though we live far away from it, and we may not like what you say/do... but we do not go to the Egyptian Embassy and set it on fire because of it. Do you see the similarity?
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01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:23 pm |
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Tell me, why should YOU in YOUR country mind about MY laws, MY belief and culture or otherwise around? In your country you are free to say what you wish according to your laws and if I feel insulted than that is my problem, not yours. I get the feeling I have to be careful here with what I say and feel because someone in Faraway-istan might get angry or insulted. Sorry, for me it doesn´t work that way.
My dear, so
When you are standing at your balcony, watching/ hearing your neighbours pointing at you, laughing, making funny drawing, insulting you and then publish it on your entrance
You would consider it freedom of speech andyou should mind your own business ?!
Sorry, for us it doesnt work that way either !
Ãt is OUR religion and they published it not only at the entrance !
Edited (6/1/2009) by CANLI
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