Mustafa Celaleddin Paþa-Konstanty Borzęcki - a greatgrandfather of recognized Turkish poet Nazim Hikmet is considered one of the fathers of modern Turkish patriotism.

A Pole who converted into islam took part in all wars led by Turkey since 1852 serving his new country as a general.

He was an author of a book in French"Les Turcs-anciens et modernes claiming that Turks played vital and civilizing role in the world history.

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http://www.odevarsivi.com/dosya.asp?islem=gor&dosya_no=144745

Seems Dobrawskis are not that bad after all

A Dobrowski leading the Ottoman army?

That explains a lot about the destruction of Ottoman Empire.

Them Christians installed a rat in the Ottoman Army to weaken it from within What a cunning conspiracy Mueha(12x)

 hard to digest supertitiz?btw*-your Dobrowski origin is more than clearly visible although you have been trying  hard to disguise it

There is nothing to digest (may be alot to digest for "Johnny Turkish" ) here because Ottomani armies were  consisted of christian converts mainly..

All janissaries until certain time, were Christians..All their generals/pashas were christians too.

Sirbians, Albenians, Bulgarians, Greeks -especially in the navy- you name it..

When you think  along that line , when they decided to take muslims into janissaries, the army never won a substantial battle again..

 is it a part of a lecture?or you have just dropped in to call the tune?

Since when janissaries Had been in the navy?I was taught that it was infantry force.

you seem to have special likeness in janissaries-theh ,so brush up your knowledge on themjust a prompt

 I think it´s just another word salad!

 I wonder what TheJanissary will have to say about that!

I dont think liking or not liking them is not the question here.

They were the slave army of the time. 

And maybe yes, it could have been a part of lecture

But I never said ´the navy had janissaries´!!

If you check the most famous Ottoman navy commanders, you will find that most of them were christian converts..Greeks specially..

So it is best, if you read abit more Ms multiple personality  

 As opposed to Mr. One-Dimensional personality?

You are "brilliant" today canim!!

btw. I have always suspected that birdy and you were somehow  related  but I could not figure out how..

Now it is clear!!  

 nothing wrong with my reading ability  along with my personality,both are ok,Mr Weeper

 Ouh I am very flattered to be related to Birdy - maybe she is my long lost sister?   I am not sure how pleased she will be to be related to me though

I thought you would KNOW a few bits here and there about Ottomans..

You should have known that i would not make a mistake THAT simple!!

 have a good day sister)))real life is calling,gorusuruz....

 TheH NEVER makes mistakes Birdy!

I dont know..

But I am sure "WE will NOT be that surprised"  

 Is that a Royal "WE" or the kind of "WE" a sultan uses for his harem?

I wonder what will become of that flattery when you learn that apart from 237 different personalities, she is also the world record holder for the largest collection of own belly button fluff...

Why you are so interested in me theh?Wanna be my personal GP ?But you should have known so far that they are chosen  by ppl not on the contrary.

And it was a really sophisticated post,you must have thought  long bringing your one dimension personality into TC daily light.Just a choirboy post  in a cesspit.

Flattery in case of me and AE? just the same blood and guts ,or balls as you wish,which some here obviously lack .

I am so glad that you feel connected to eachother that strongly with the same blood, same guts and same balls..  

I have  no intention of  being your personal and non personal GP..

WHAT SO EVER..I can promise you that

Why do you continue to imagine that anyone who disagrees with you must have some connection?  Why is it so hard for you to understand that people just disagree with you?  

Is your ego so enlarged that you are unable to comprehend anyone disagreeing with you unless they are part of a plan or some anti-TheHandsom group?  Or is it your Turkish blood that makes you prefer to see conspiracy theories rather than obvious truths?

Stop being aggressive AE

No need to be..

Go and start reading from the beginning of this thread..

I am sure you will see that you did NOT  say anything about the topic at all.!!!

Can you see how linear you are here? 

You are ´imagining something without any parameters here´ and in the end you are trying to defend your imagination. !!!!

 Hehehehe me aggressive and linear?  You should take a look at yourself first sweetie

I didn´t say anything about the topic no - but I committed the crime of joking with someone you argued with and nothing seems to upset you more

Anyway I have no wish to further spoil this thread so go back to calling me Islam Supporter (by the way you were calling me that 6 months ago too! ) and I will refrain from calling you Christian supporter and imperialist

Now you are being ´defensive´..

And me as a  ´Christian supporter and imperialist´?  

Thanks for admitting that you have NOT wrote anything in this thread related to the topic and have been spoiling the thread..

Oh I am so glad you rejoined the forum - its my only reason for returning!

LOTS of sexual tensions in this thread!!! Phew... I´m not sure if I can handle watching it...

Cat, close your eyes

Not that you missed us or anything of course!!

Ama, ama.... I want to see what they are doing...

 Sexual frustrations yes..lots of...Lets invite all to sit on Freud´s chair...

 Didnt you get bored to watch the same episode 12313102394ý1 times

 didn´t u get bored with spending 20hours/7days at tcl?you soon will become the second babyglam

 No dear..i have all the time in the world to spend it here . And i will never get bored with classmaids like you

 Tebriklerhappy to entertain you TC guard)))))))

you forgot to take your pills i think

Aahhh... You´re right... it´s getting boring.. and they´ve been so close to getting married so many times!!

 Good morning MOM,you care about me so much. You love meCan you also adopt my miraculously found long lost sister AE?It is a pushover)))She does not eat much.

Benefits of it

a/free admission to pastafarian churches through main gate with the right to sit on the right side

b/period-ical updates to hammams

c/constant fun and lack of bordom

d/free volume of Mustafa´s book

list to be continued as  soon as AE( who has the other part)will come to class.She is late as always.

Quoting catwoman

Not that you missed us or anything of course!!

Disappointingly predictable responses

Hahahahahaha  you made me laugh out loud aptal

Wow...

What a post!!!!.. Such an ultra non predictable post..

Brilliant!!!!!!!!!

Rolled off the chair here...

Infact, my rolling has  not stopped yet..Still rolling on the floor here..

 Darling you just can´t bear to keep away from us di mi?  Maybe Cat was right about the sexual tension....

It might be your wish it to happen..

But naah, "darling AE" 

 me or you?

Janissaries had been problem throughout the Ottoman history and there was no war won by the help of them.On the contrary, there were times that they refused to go to a war and stayed in Ýstanbul to loot the city in the lack of authority.That´s why it is called "Auspicious Incident" when Sultan Mahmut abolished the force in 1826.

You reminded me one of the early threads I wrote  some times ago here Upsy Daisy

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_28994

I think Janissaries  was the best army of  the time  at the beginning..

But the corruption came later on.

Muslims were not accepted at the start but it was a kind of nice job, so the muslim rulers (pashas vezirs etc)  started to put their own people into janissary units..

Anyway..

I am glad you are out of the safety of the chat room and see you more around here

 Safety of the chat room?  That is debatable!

This is just to let you know that I´ll be giving you the pleasure (or pain?) of seeing me more around here... (but you´ll have no right of complainig about it...  

From now on I´ll be more here than enjoying the "safety" of the chat room. I used the word "safety" just because you used it...It is not safety (but insecure) especially when you join in and you join very often! 

Just a litte info; Ottoman army´s hitting power in battles was always "Týmarlý Sipahi"s who were light cavaliers and those were defending right & left wing of the army as well as attacking. Janisseries´ and Kapýkulu soldiers´ duty was to protect Sultan. Kapýkulu soldiers at first decided to be chosen among "devsirme"s but since they were not good at horse-riding, all were started to be chosen among Turkmens. And all Týmarlý Sipahis were Turks & Turkmens as well. Actually its well known fact Turks, Turkic tribes, Mongols using light cavaliers in battles in central asia which were very good at fighting on horses and which was a key factor for Turks to win a battle during middle age and beginning of new era. And when the firearms started to become popular in battles during 18th century, cavaliers lost their importance and that was the downfall time of Ottoman army...