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Eight killed in Turkey flash floods
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10 Sep 2009 Thu 08:36 pm |
Not that I´m an expert on the Turkish flood problem, but...it looks like you have a pretty good idea of what happened, which seems to be too many people moving into an area. Those immigrants improvising living conditions.
There has been a lot of immigration to some areas where people have done "do it yourself" upgrades. They are not trained in the right way to do things. Inspectors are over worked and don´t get to check it all.
On a personal level, I have a friend who is an engineer, who has a neighbor who has property a little higher than his. This neighbor put drainage in a way that causes it to run into the engineers property, wich caused weakening of the engineers structure. It´s a long complicated technical issue...if he calls inspectors.....they don´t really have the technical knowledge....anyway... you get the jist of it?
Well..
Authorities were warned by the meteorology/weather station in advance..
Dont we have civil enginners in Turkey who are able to calculate what would happen if that amount of rain drops in an area?
That stream flooded 14 years ago too..Why did not local governments do anything?
Ok..Lets forget why nothing has been done to that stream..
The flood came into the road and killed people..
Why on earth did you not close the road to the traffic?
You know that the rain is coming; you know that the river/stream is going to flood, you dont need to be a professor in a civil engineering faculty to think that water will have to go somewhere!!
The PM was the head of local government when that stream was flooded 14 years ago!!
This is not a financial problem..
Istanbul is a rich city.
Budget of Istanbul municipality is quite huge!!
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Anyway..
It is terrible to watch that people are dying with the knowledge that it could have been prevented..
Edited (9/10/2009) by thehandsom
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10 Sep 2009 Thu 09:05 pm |
I kind of feel the same way about Hurrican Katrina in New Orleans. The Mississippi River, one of the larges Rivers in the WORLD, was ABOVE some neighborshoods BEFORE the storm...in other words, homes where build BELOW sea level. Is it just me or is there something wrong when people build homes in an obviously dangerous place and then sell them to poor people? Where is the responsibility on the part of city officials?
FYI - If you live in a neighborhood and have to look up to see the river...there could be a problem!!
In any case, it´s sad to see this happen in my favorite city. Sad to see so many lives lost. It is such a tragedy!
Edited (9/10/2009) by Elisabeth
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10 Sep 2009 Thu 09:12 pm |
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Anyway..
It is terrible to watch that people are dying with the knowledge that it could have been prevented..
When you compare it to the magnitude of irresponsibility displayed during hurricane Katrina you get a different picture....."Brownie, you´re doing a heckuva job"
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10 Sep 2009 Thu 09:14 pm |
I kind of feel the same way about Hurrican Katrina in New Orleans. The Mississippi River, one of the larges Rivers in the WORLD, was ABOVE some neighborshoods BEFORE the storm...in other words, homes where build BELOW sea level. Is it just me or is there something wrong when people build homes in an obviously dangerous place and then sell them to poor people? Where is the responsibility on the part of city officials?
FYI - If you live in a neighborhood and have to look up to see the river...there could be a problem!!
In any case, it´s sad to see this happen in my favorite city. Sad to see so many lives lost. It is such a tragedy!
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People should be help responsible....why aren´t they? I look for flood plains....take the high road....
Edited (9/10/2009) by alameda
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10 Sep 2009 Thu 09:14 pm |
FYI - If you live in a neighborhood and have to look up to see the river...there could be a problem!!
Not necessarily. 40% of my country is below sea level and we haven´t had a flood with victims since 1953 (only a few, I think 6 and 12 years back with some minor material damage). It all depends on continuing repairs, maintenance.
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10 Sep 2009 Thu 09:16 pm |
Not necessarily. 40% of my country is below sea level and we haven´t had a flood with victims since 1953 (only a few, I think 6 and 12 years back with some minor material damage). It all depends on continuing repairs, maintenance.
Yes, your people have been remarkable in their industriousness and responsibility.
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10 Sep 2009 Thu 09:20 pm |
I wish I could see - at least once in my lifetime - those responsible officers who signed the construction certificates, occupancy permits etc for all those buildings constructed within river beds or well known run off channels. PUNISHED.
Drowning them in luke warm water should be sufficient.
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10 Sep 2009 Thu 09:34 pm |
This is like watching the same thing again and again..
We had that earthquake in Izmit..20.000-40.000 people died..How many people are in jail right now because of those faulty buildings? I dont know how many personally but I assume not many..
We know that earthquake will strike in Istanbul, we know there will be many dead.
can it be prevented? not the earthquake, but you can prevent many deads.
But we know what is going to happen..yet again!!
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10 Sep 2009 Thu 09:44 pm |
I wish I could see - at least once in my lifetime - those responsible officers who signed the construction certificates, occupancy permits etc for all those buildings constructed within river beds or well known run off channels. PUNISHED.
Drowning them in luke warm water should be sufficient.
+++++++I agree on the punished part...it goes on everywhere, not just Turkey....graft, corruption, lack of concern, I´ve got mine...get your own....The dehuminization & marginalization of the less fortunate.
When it reaches critical mass, when it´s so bad it´s intolerable, something will be done. As long as citizens accept it, it will go on. Until we see ourselves in the rest of humanity, it will continue. I guess it´s about compassion, empathy. If that doesn´t work, then punishment helps.
No lukwarm water, I want them to understand what they have done. How do you do that?
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11 Sep 2009 Fri 12:29 pm |
No lukwarm water, I want them to understand what they have done. How do you do that?
How about boiling hot water?
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11 Sep 2009 Fri 02:55 pm |
I have a suggestion. Maybe we should put together a legal team (US has an overabundance of attorneys, I´m sure they´d be interested) and let´s sue nature. Maybe if we teach her a lesson there won´t be any more floods, earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, fires, high temperatures, low temperatures, droughts, etc., etc. If we´re going to point a finger, let´s point it at the real culprit.
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