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10.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 03:05 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 And which Christian countries would they be?  Most European countries could not be more cosmopolitan if they tried!  Natzism is a minoirity just like Islamic militants are..................... and most Christians hate both.... You always refer to the minority rather than the majority and no one on here is persuaded by your [not very persuasive] rhetoric. Big smile

 

I bet he´s referring to the issue of sharia law in the uk, legalised abortion in most Christian countries, euthanasia in Cloggieland, religious freedom granted in constitutions, prosecution of nazists in most legal systems...yeap, that surely is a proof of how nazism and Christianity are taking over Europe Roll eyes

11.       ally81
461 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 03:27 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

I`m wondering why this is an issue for the christians. how about the fact that the christian countries are getting more and more christian and nazist? that doesn`t seem to bother the christians much.

 

 hmm i see generalisation and racism are rearing their ugly heads again, how unsurprising that you should say what you did, what would be really impressive, instead of just spouting racist remarks, is if you could back up what you say with exactly what countries you are refering to and the facts of this supposed natzism, or are all christians just lumped in together? 

12.       _AE_
677 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 04:52 pm

 

Quoting ally81

 

 

 hmm i see generalisation and racism are rearing their ugly heads again, how unsurprising that you should say what you did, what would be really impressive, instead of just spouting racist remarks, is if you could back up what you say with exactly what countries you are refering to and the facts of this supposed natzism, or are all christians just lumped in together? 

 

 Well, even though I hate Tami´s "christian" comments/generalisations, I see no racism in his comment and in fact what he says is true - racism and nazism are growing in popularity at an alarming rate in europe

 

In addition, you may be offended at being called "Christian" as a country/state, but the fact is, whether or not you are personally religious, we ARE christian countries (you personally happen to live in a country extremely influenced by catholicism) and the people who feel so offended by being called so seem to have no hesitation in calling others "muslim countries"...



Edited (10/23/2009) by _AE_
Edited (10/23/2009) by _AE_

13.       _AE_
677 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 05:02 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

Natzism is a minoirity just like Islamic militants are..................... and most Christians hate both.... You always refer to the minority rather than the majority and no one on here is persuaded by your [not very persuasive] rhetoric. Big smile

 

 You may believe this to be true, but I would remind you that the UK have recently elected TWO members of the European Parliament who are from the nazi supporting BNP party...

14.       ally81
461 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 05:56 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 Well, even though I hate Tami´s "christian" comments/generalisations, I see no racism in his comment and in fact what he says is true - racism and nazism are growing in popularity at an alarming rate in europe

 

In addition, you may be offended at being called "Christian" as a country/state, but the fact is, whether or not you are personally religious, we ARE christian countries and the people who feel so offended by being called so seem to have no hesitation in calling others "muslim countries"...

 

 

Ok, mayb i was a bit quick to fly off the handle there!! Big smile but racism is an intolerance of other race or races and i can certainly feel his intolerance.. and yes maybe what he said is true but racism is a problem in every culture and every country and not just isolated to Christian countries, i take offence at being lumped in with the Nazis just because im from a Christian country, he seems to think Christianity and Nazism go hand in hand (and ive read back through some of his posts so im not just talking about this particular one) and maybe im wrong but i find that a bit racist. Racism works both ways, and just because im Catholic doesnt mean that someone cant be racist towards me

 

I am not offended in the slightest by being called ´Christian´ as a country, and im not particulary religious, i just get angry because i dont consider myself to be racist, but because i happen to have been born in a Christian country i can be generalised into being one  

but maybe i should stop talking it now  b4 i get myself into trouble haha 

 

 

 

 

 







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Edited (10/23/2009) by ally81 [edit]

15.       _AE_
677 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 06:05 pm

 

Quoting ally81

 

 

 

Ok, mayb i was a bit quick to fly off the handle there!! Big smile but racism is an intolerance of other race or races and i can certainly feel his intolerance.. and yes maybe what he said is true but racism is a problem in every culture and every country and not just isolated to Christian countries, i take offence at being lumped in with the Natzis just because im from a Christian country, he seems to think Christianity and Natzism go hand in hand (and ive read back through some of his posts so im not just talking about this particular one) and maybe im wrong but i find that a bit racist. Racism works both ways, and just because im Catholic doesnt mean that someone cant be racist towards me

 

I am not offended in the slightest by being called ´Christian´ as a country, and im not particulary religious, i just get angry because i dont consider myself to be racist, but because i happen to have been born in a Christian country i can generalised into being one  

but maybe i should stop talking it now  b4 i get myself into trouble haha 

 

 

 

 

 





 I agree that there is racism everywhere.  Instead of flying off the handle at Tami about this comments, a better question would be why does he get so aggitated when we discuss Turkey in this context?  He seems to feel it unfair and feel that we are judging when we have no right to judge.  I think he forgets this is TURKISH LANGUAGE CLASS and therefore topics about Turkey WILL appear in the forums and that people are here because they are interested in Turkey and the language!!!!  He seems to just view it as if Turkey is being picked on!! lollollol

 

16.       ally81
461 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 06:30 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 I agree that there is racism everywhere.  Instead of flying off the handle at Tami about this comments, a better question would be why does he get so aggitated when we discuss Turkey in this context?  He seems to feel it unfair and feel that we are judging when we have no right to judge.  I think he forgets this is TURKISH LANGUAGE CLASS and therefore topics about Turkey WILL appear in the forums and that people are here because they are interested in Turkey and the language!!!!  He seems to just view it as if Turkey is being picked on!! lollollol

 

 

I couldnt agree with you more, I think the majority of people are here because they fell in love with the country and are genuinely interested in learning more about the country and learning the language, of course there are a few who just wanna be able to communicate with their dudu´s with translations <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast). But yes of course topics about Turkey are going to appear and of course people with a genuine interest in Turkey are going to read them and maybe comment on them, I can understand and I totally, 100% respect his patriotism, but there are better ways to defend ones country!!!!!

 

17.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 06:40 pm

I´m getting very irritated with people throwing around the word nazi on this forum like it´s nothing. Somebody who is a bit of a bigot, and who´s a bit of a racist, is not a nazi, who is all for ethnic cleansings... Be careful using this word, maybe you should check the history books for what it really means, before you call every bigot idiot a nazi.

18.       ally81
461 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 07:04 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I´m getting very irritated with people throwing around the word nazi on this forum like it´s nothing. Somebody who is a bit of a bigot, and who´s a bit of a racist, is not a nazi, who is all for ethnic cleansings... Be careful using this word, maybe you should check the history books for what it really means, before you call every bigot idiot a nazi.

 

 Hi barba mama, yes I agree with you and I hope you dont think that I am one of these who are throwing this word around like it was meaningless, I 100% know what this word means, I have vivid and disturbing memories of studying this particular history in school, hence why i got so offended with being compared to one simply because Im from a Christian country

 

 



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19.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 09:24 pm

AE - that´s the thing - Tami uses a lot of simplifications and, although his calling the evil west Christian, may be forgiven to a certain extent (as the whole Europe was Christian...but then our legal systems are founded on pre-Christian philosophy and laws), he fails to understand what the word nazi means. I come from the country who fought nazism, lost quite a few family members during WWII so his attempts to classify me as a nazist are insulting. Ok, I do tolerate him as he´s a funny little guy, a bit like a three-year-old shouting "I hate you, I hate you" when he has no arguments, that´s why I can´t take him seriously.

20.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 23 Oct 2009 Fri 10:20 pm

Thank you I just get irritated. This is a very personal matter for me, since I have some Jewish roots in my family, and have lost a family member in a concentration camp. Because people don´t realise that I have Jewish family members, I have heard people in The Netherlands made some anti-Jewish remarks around me..... but I have also had the same experience in Turkey! By the way, I have had this experience much more in Turkey then in Holland. So spitting the word nazi on the screen all the time gives me a funny feeling in the stomach. If you take the meaning of nazi as not connected to german national socialism, but something that can occur in other countries as well, then one would have to say that Turkey is also filled with nazi´s. I prefer not to use this meaning. I don´t want to think that in every country I go, I´ll be greeted by a bunch of nazi´s...



Edited (10/23/2009) by barba_mama

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