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10.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 01:20 am

 

Quoting insallah

 

Do herhalde and her halde have the same meaning?  I have seen both written and from the sentence structure alone I can not identify a difference in meaning. If they are different could somebody give a few sentence examples please Thanks

 

Eventhough there is a grammatical difference between ´herhalde´ and ´her halde´, you can assume that when you see it written (in an informal place), they all wanted to say ´herhalde=probably´, because many people dont know whether to write them apart or together.

 

If I were you Id forget about the difference and all understand them as ´probably´, because that is how it is used 99.9% of the time

 

 

 

 

11.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 01:22 am

 

Quoting insallah

 

 

Ok that means both my exercise book and friends of mine are wrong as they say there is a slight difference. I was told that there is a difference between these two words;
HER HALDE means; exactly,absolutely while HERHALDE means ; perhaps,maybe

ohhhh this is so confusing  

 

Your friends are close enough...

12.       insallah
1277 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 03:00 am

Ohhh , I didn´t see all this before,

 Ok thanks to everyone who made it clear. I see that yes there is in fact a difference as I had thought, but it is not used often and basically I should not even bother with it and just accept herhalde    Cheers Yilgun, deli- kizin and Alphaf I  appreciate it .

13.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 03:06 am

 

Quoting insallah

I see that yes there is in fact a difference as I had thought, but it is not used often and basically I should not even bother with it and just accept herhalde   

 

 Excellent summary

14.       upsy_daisy
200 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 03:14 am

 

Quoting Turkish-Teacher

no Katie. Trust me there is no difference

 

hal = situation, case, state (we borrowed this word in Arabic)

 

her iki halde de = in either case

 

her halde is extremely rare

 

Expert Turkish Tutor

 

 

 

I am not an expert yet but student in uni studying Turkish language and really surprised to see an expert give such an information. 

There must be difference between them.

Yes, hâl (not hal) is originally Arabic. (btw I don´t understand why you needed to mention it´s a loanword) 

Her is Turkish? Do you think it is originally Turkish?

Yes, herhâlde means probably.

But her hâlde never means probably.

You can find it in her hâlükârda (her hâlde + kârda) 

What does her hâlükârda  mean? probably or exactly?

15.       Merih
933 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 08:05 am

her halde and herhalde is different but because you can not differenciate in the spoken language, people use her halükarda for her halde to mean that.  But Deli kýzýn is right too, as some people don´t know if it is written together or separate.. so you have to look at the context to understand what is meant.

16.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 01:22 pm

 

Quoting upsy_daisy

 

 

I am not an expert yet but student in uni studying Turkish language and really surprised to see an expert give such an information. 

There must be difference between them.

Yes, hâl (not hal) is originally Arabic. (btw I don´t understand why you needed to mention it´s a loanword) 

Her is Turkish? Do you think it is originally Turkish?

Yes, herhâlde means probably.

But her hâlde never means probably.

You can find it in her hâlükârda (her hâlde + kârda) 

What does her hâlükârda  mean? probably or exactly?

The management of ETT (Expert Turkish Tutors) wishes to offer a public apology over this unfortunate incident.

Head bang

 

 



Edited (10/28/2009) by AlphaF
Edited (10/28/2009) by AlphaF

17.       lady in red
6947 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 02:54 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

The management of ETT (Expert Turkish Tutors) wishes to offer a public apology over this unfortunate incident.

Head bang

 

 

 

Will Turkish Teacher be reducing his tuition charges now??  Satisfied nod



Edited (10/28/2009) by lady in red

18.       Turkish-Teacher
257 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 03:07 pm

herhalde = her halde = heralde(this is the most common one in spoken Turkish

 

1) People do not care about the spelling of this word. her halde or herhalde both are acceptable.

 

This word usually means probably

 

Heralde randevuyu unuttu = he must have forgotten about the appointment(logical conclusion)

 

sometimes it means exactly:

 

Example: Ben partiye gelmek zorunda mýyým? (Do I have to come/go to the party?)

 

HERALDE geleceksin . (=OF COURSE you do)

 

about reducing the charge:

 

Lady in Red: Heralde þaka yaptýn

Quoting lady in red

 

 

Will Turkish Teacher be reducing his tuition charges now??  Satisfied nod

 

 

19.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 03:19 pm

My advice: never take lessons from a Turkish teacher who thinks it is totally acceptable to write ´heralde´ when teaching. 

20.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 28 Oct 2009 Wed 03:20 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

Will Turkish Teacher be reducing his tuition charges now??  Satisfied nod

 

He will be paying for any chance of tutoring he may get.<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

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