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Namus derdi bir derde benzemiyor
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1.       mamamia
215 posts
 04 May 2006 Thu 12:59 pm

Namus derdi bir derde benzemiyor.What is the translation?? Thanks!

2.       Roxy
209 posts
 04 May 2006 Thu 01:17 pm

Quoting mamamia:

Namus derdi bir derde benzemiyor.What is the translation?? Thanks!



There isn't a problem/worry, seem like one's honor or reputation problem..

3.       mltm
3690 posts
 04 May 2006 Thu 01:49 pm

Quoting mamamia:

Namus derdi bir derde benzemiyor.What is the translation?? Thanks!



Probably you missed "hiç".
namus derdi hiçbir derde benzemiyor.

4.       erdinc
2151 posts
 04 May 2006 Thu 03:44 pm

"Namus derdi başka bir derde benzemiyor." or "Namus derdi hiç bir derde benzemiyor." can be translated as follows:

"A honor problem is not like any other problem."

Translator's Note:
Usually some problematic people make statements like this. "Namus" in this particular phrase not only refers to somebody's own honor but moreover it refers to the honor of people that person is responsible for. In Eastern part of the country we have some problems with non-Turkish ethnical backgrounds. People are killing their female relatives according some traditions related to honor e.g sex usually as it is understood by them. They think a female deserves to be killed for having sexual relationship with somebody without marriage. Another reason for honor killings are divorces. Of course our government is fighting with them but sentences are not enough to prevent honor crimes. Usually the older male members of the family let it done by a younger boy to reduce the jail sentence.

Usually it is the kind of people who are ready to commit a honor crime that would say such a statement that you quoted. It is also usually the most unethical and extremist people who start talking a lot about honor. Honor doesn't need to be mentioned aloud. People will see it in your actions if it is there.

5.       mamamia
215 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 10:00 am

Thanks very much, I didn't miss anything of the text!
So the translation Roxy gave will be the best I think. Furthermore I want to thank Erdinç for the explanation! What you told fits in the context! I am translating a story about a girl that is gone away from home, after her father beating her and this is what her mother signs!!
Thanks everybody!

6.       erdinc
2151 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 10:38 am

Some time ago there was a honor killing in Germany. A Turkish girl was killed by her brothers. The youngest brother admitted the crime and was continuously telling that he did it alone. The father was not even arrested.

Unfortunately we know that this is not true. According the traditions of extremist Islamists a family commission (aile meclisi) of older male members needs to decide for the killing. The commission includes all adult male members who are relatives at first or second degree e.g. brothers, father, uncles and grandfather.

Unfortunately in the few cases in Germany and in hundreds of cases in Turkia none of the members of these family commissions were prosecuted. They admittedly let the crime done by the youngest boy for reducing the jail sentences.

Our İslamic party which is currently in charge instead fighting back to these traditions tried to intruduce a law for those young killers to reduce their very short jail sentences even more if the killing was a honor killing. They didn't succeed to pass through that law from our parliament but this clearly shows how Islamic politicians think on honor killings.

Unfortunately the extremist Islamic lifestyle consists of a life where brothers are killing their sisters and yet there are still so many supporters of these extremists in our country.

Here is the story of that girl in Germany who was forced by her family to marry a cousin (another sick tradition of conservative lifestyle in Turkia). When she divorced she was killed by her brothers:

"The Whore Lived Like a German"

7.       sophie
2712 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 11:35 am



Thank you Erdinc for this link.
It's really sick! The whole thing is sick! I will never understand how governments close their eyes to such unfair and horrible crimes. And they are not only closing their eyes, but they are supporting and encouraging those attitudes too.

But how can anyone expect something better, when there are people like Fethullah Gülen who preach that 'The purpose of marriage is not pleasure; rather, it is to ensure the nation's permanency and continuation..'. Where is the respect for the woman here? According to beliefs like this one, a woman is a machine, made to produce babies and obey orders.

I have never been a feminist, so this has nothing to do with that. I ve never been a fanatic christian either. I believe in God, no matter if his name is God, Theos, Allah or Buddah. And I believe that he is fair. Now where is the fairness in this idea huh? And how can a religion EVER support murders and crimes of any kind?

8.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 11:57 am

Quoting sophie:

And how can a religion EVER support murders and crimes of any kind?



When it comes to matters like this, it is always hard to find words that actually capture a meaning.

But your last sentence Sophie, will say what many people on this site think.



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I advice people to watch 'Gegen die Wand'. It's a Turkish/German film which tells the story of such an honor-murder. It has a sad ending, but the story is really breathtaking (in a negative way actually).

9.       Boop
785 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 01:58 pm

What a world we live in - sometimes so hard to understand why and how such things can happen :-S

10.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 02:29 pm

Quoting Boop:

What a world we live in - sometimes so hard to understand why and how such things can happen :-S



It's a good thing you do not understand it. And if you are pure-hearted and logical, the harder you will try to understand such things, the less you will understand. So be glad you do not understand..

11.       Boop
785 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 03:02 pm

Perhaps 'understand' was the wrong choice of word - maybe 'make sense of' would have been more explicit

12.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 03:19 pm

Quoting Boop:

Perhaps 'understand' was the wrong choice of word - maybe 'make sense of' would have been more explicit



Hehe i'll still stick to what i said.. if those kinda things start to make sense to you, something really is going wrong in the world.

I wasn't trying to be pickin on ur words though Just telling you not to feel sorry for not understanding/thinking it doesn't make sense

13.       Boop
785 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 03:24 pm

I wasn't trying to be pickin on ur words though Just telling you not to feel sorry for not understanding/thinking it doesn't make sense

hmmmmmmmmm..... you have misunderstood my meaning - nevertheless - not to worry dear.

14.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 03:26 pm

Quoting Boop:

I wasn't trying to be pickin on ur words though Just telling you not to feel sorry for not understanding/thinking it doesn't make sense

hmmmmmmmmm..... you have misunderstood my meaning - nevertheless - not to worry dear.



Damnit, that's the problem of not being a native English speaker

I keep saying: one day....

15.       Boop
785 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 03:39 pm

No problem

16.       slavica
814 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 03:41 pm

Quoting erdinc:


Our İslamic party which is currently in charge instead fighting back to these traditions tried to intruduce a law for those young killers to reduce their very short jail sentences even more if the killing was a honor killing. They didn't succeed to pass through that law from our parliament but this clearly shows how Islamic politicians think on honor killings.

Unfortunately the extremist Islamic lifestyle consists of a life where brothers are killing their sisters and yet there are still so many supporters of these extremists in our country.



Is it possible that such kind of party is currently in charge in Turkey!? Are they elected by free election?

17.       ramayan
2633 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 05:42 pm

these murderers may call themselves as 'muslim' but when we search about islam and its background..these kind of nonsense things,to get revenge,to kill a human being even a harmless instects are strictly forbidden...

so, they are not muslim and i claim that they are also not a human being

especially uneducated,illeteral old parents suporting them..(

18.       erdinc
2151 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 06:19 pm

Quote:

Is it possible that such kind of party is currently in charge in Turkey!? Are they elected by free election?



Yes they were elected on free elections on 3 November 2002. They got 34% of total votes and they have 65% of the parliamentaries with these votes. It is tricky isn't it? All this is a result of playing with the election laws.

The reason why they got 34% of votes is not that these voters have choosen them because they are Islamic but because of corruption. The normal right wing parties ANAP and DYP are so corrupted nobody wanted to vote for them again.

ANAP and DYP were and still are full with bussinessmen who were keen on governmental funds. Some of these bussinessmen were owners of big banks. Sometimes the owner was a relative and not the parliamentary himself.

The banks were giving all the money they have collected from public as credits to their own companies and when the bank was bankrupt the government had to pay the money to account holders.

Unfortunately our justice department has been always extremely week. They got away with this, leaving us country in huge debts to foreign countries. We are still paying these debts and usually we are only paying the interest of these debts because they are so big. This is why the sallaries are so low and why education and health departments work so bad. The main reason is corruption, bad justice system and huge debts.

Currenty the Islamic party is not very bad on economics. They know very well that this is what people care. People care on the taxes and their salaries. Also they care for prices and inflation rate. There is improvement on all these economical indicators. While they are improving the economics they keep doing their own bussiness as well.

They are not very dangerous in short term but I think they are investing for the future when they will become stronger.

On the other hand the justice department remains still very weak. A bussinessmen who has tricked the state billions of dollars will get just a years sentence or two and no economical punishment at all.
We don't have economical punishmenst for economical crimes.

19.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 06:28 pm

Quoting ramayan:

these murderers may call themselves as 'muslim' but when we search about islam and its background..these kind of nonsense things,to get revenge,to kill a human being even a harmless instects are strictly forbidden...

so, they are not muslim and i claim that they are also not a human being

especially uneducated,illeteral old parents suporting them..(



I don't think any of the sophisticated people on this site would link it with the 'real Islam' I really do understand why the Western world has come to fear the Islam so much. So many bombings, so many people died, an enormous 'anti-western' feeling that has come up, all in the name of Allah. But it hasn't come to my mind for even one second, that these people are worth to call themselves 'Muslim'.

I think religion can do two things with people: it brings either the bad or the good up in them. It depends on how you fill in your daily life and what your own character is. So when you kill someone in the name of Allah, this is not because of your religion, but it is because of the way religion is changing you inside. And i think that weak people, searching for power, easily get their bad side brought up with religion. Killing in the name of Allah, God etc, is just a 'bahane' for your weakness in your hunger for power.

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