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40.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 17 Nov 2009 Tue 09:20 pm

 

Quoting Ruh

Turkish-Teacher, I do not understand your reply. Do you mind translating into English? ^^;

 

 If he didnt write it in english means that his post is only for turkish. Or for those who know turkish well. i consider it  not important.

41.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 17 Nov 2009 Tue 09:22 pm

 

Quoting Ruh

Turkish-Teacher, I do not understand your reply. Do you mind translating into English? ^^;

 

 It means something like this:

 

Just leave it and let people wear what they want. Let those who want to wear headscarf, put on a headscarf, and those who want to wear Holy Ali´s sword wear holy Ali´s sword. The one who wants to wear a mini skirt, let them wear it, the one who wants to wear a black burqa, let them wear it. I respect every point of view. Every sheep is hung from its own legs (a saying that means something like ´everybody is responsible for their own actions/behaviour)

 

If some believe that the headscarf is a command/order, I respect them. And for those who say ´no, there is no such thing´, that again is theirthought. Nobody should be forced to wear or not to wear a headscarf.

 

42.       Ruh
13 posts
 17 Nov 2009 Tue 09:27 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 If he didnt write it in english means that his post is only for turkish. Or for those who know turkish well. i consider it  not important.

 

He quoted me, which is why I asked.

I guess you are right ReyhanL. ^^;

43.       Ruh
13 posts
 17 Nov 2009 Tue 09:37 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

 It means something like this:

 

Just leave it and let people wear what they want. Let those who want to wear headscarf, put on a headscarf, and those who want to wear Holy Ali´s sword wear holy Ali´s sword. The one who wants to wear a mini skirt, let them wear it, the one who wants to wear a black burqa, let them wear it. I respect every point of view. Every sheep is hung from its own legs (a saying that means something like ´everybody is responsible for their own actions/behaviour)

 

If some believe that the headscarf is a command/order, I respect them. And for those who say ´no, there is no such thing´, that again is theirthought. Nobody should be forced to wear or not to wear a headscarf.

 

 

Thank you Deli_kizin. ^^;

I do not believe I have advised, let alone forced anyone to wear a headscarf in my comment Turkish_Teacher.  ^___^

The Quranul Karim reads that there should be no compulsion in faith. Not quoting the exact wording of course, but it is something to this effect.

We must account for our own actions. Accountable to no one else but the Creator of the Universe. ^___^

44.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 17 Nov 2009 Tue 09:52 pm

 

Quoting Ruh

 

 

but it is something to this effect.

 

That´s generally a trouble-making sentence in religion or so it seems..

 

 

Youre welcome btw.

 



Edited (11/17/2009) by Deli_kizin

45.       Ruh
13 posts
 17 Nov 2009 Tue 11:11 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

That´s generally a trouble-making sentence in religion or so it seems..

 

 

Youre welcome btw.

 

 

 haha...yes, you are quite right.

 

The verse as translated by MM Pickthall

Chapter 2. Verse 256 (relevant portion)

"There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error....."

 

Please bear in mind that Quran was revealed in Arabic. So any translation is merely an attempt made by scholars of the Arabic language. Well, to help out lazy buggers such as myself. ^^

46.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 18 Nov 2009 Wed 03:33 am

THE HOLY QUR’AN
 
SURE = 2 : BAKARA SURESİ : SURAH 2- AL - BAQARAH – THE HEIFER
 
AYET 256 = VERSE OF THE QURAN
 
Dinde baskı – zorlama – tiksindirme  yoktur :
Let there be no compulsion in religion.
 
Her kimse tağuta sırt dönüp Allaha inanırsa hiç kuşkusuz sapasağlam bir kulpa yapışmış olur.Kopup parçalanması yoktur o kulpun.Allah, hakkıyla işiten, en iyi biçimde bilendir.
Whoever rejects Evil and believe  in Allah  hath grasped the most  trustworthy hand-hold, that never  breaks..And Allah  hearth and knoweth  all things.
 
SURE = 24 : NUR SURESİ :  SURAH 24 – AN-NUR – THE LIGHT
 
AYET 31 = VERSE OF THE QURAN
 
Mümin kadınlara da söyle bakışlarını yere indirsinler.
Irzlarını/eteklerini korusunlar.
Süslerini/zinetlerini, görünen kısımlar müstesna, açmasınlar.
Örtülerini/başörtülerini göğüs yırtmaçlarının üzerine vursunlar.
Süslerini şu kişilerden başkasına göstermesinler:kocaları yahut babaları yahut oğulları yahut kardeşleri :
 
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty, that they should not display  their  beauty and ornaments except what –must ordinarily- appear thereof , that they should draw their veils over  their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their sons, their brothers and their sisters



Edited (11/18/2009) by yilgun-2010
Edited (11/18/2009) by yilgun-2010
Edited (4/14/2010) by yilgun-2010

47.       Zimmygirl
25 posts
 18 Nov 2009 Wed 07:11 am

 

Quoting Beautiful soul

1st of all thank u sooo much for answering my question & i totally agree with most of u that hijab is a choice even Allah ordered all muslim women to wear but only Allah who judges us nobody has the right to say that a woman is good or bad because of her hijab , islam is not just about hijab  & appearance , islam is so much deeper than this

 

 I am glad that you also understand what I am trying to tell people. Islam is more than just a hijab. I may also add that Islam is more than just  a kofia (what the men put on their head). 

48.       Ruh
13 posts
 18 Nov 2009 Wed 03:10 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

THE HOLY QUR’AN

 

 

SURE = 2 : BAKARA SURESİ : SURAH 2- AL - BAQARAH – THE HEIFER

 

AYET 256 = VERSE OF THE QURAN

 

Dinde baskı – zorlama – tiksindirme  yoktur :

Let there be no compulsion in religion.

 

Her kimse tağuta sırt dönüp Allaha inanırsa hiç kuşkusuz sapasağlam bir kulpa yapışmış olur.Kopup parçalanması yoktur o kulpun.Allah, hakkıyla işiten, en iyi biçimde bilendir.

 

 

Whoever rejects Evil and believe  in Allah  hath grasped the most  trustworthy hand-hold, that never  breaks..And Allah  hearth and knoweth  all things.

 

 

SURE = 24 : NUR SURESİ :  SURAH 24 – AN-NUR – THE LIGHT

 

AYET 31 = VERSE OF THE QURAN

 

Mümin kadınlara da söyle bakışlarını yere indirsinler.

Irzlarını/eteklerini korusunlar.

Süslerini/zinetlerini, görünen kısımlar müstesna, açmasınlar.

Örtülerini/başörtülerini göğüs yırtmaçlarının üzerine vursunlar.

Süslerini şu kişilerden başkasına göstermesinler:kocaları yahut babaları yahut oğulları yahut kardeşleri :

 

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty, that they should not display  their  beauty and ornaments except what –must ordinarily- appear thereof , that they should draw their veils over  their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their sons, their brothers and their sisters.

 

 

 A very important verse you have quoted there Yilgun. ^^

Some would argue that hair is not considered an "ornament". If hair was intended, they say, then the word would have been clearly noted. Drawing the veil over the bosoms is pretty obvious though.

If we read further we will understand that no woman would voluntarilly display her chest to even her father or brother...so it is clear that ornaments would include everything about a woman one would find charming and/ or attractive. "except for what would ordinarily appear thereof..." THAT is why I am incredibly against wearing a veil to cover the face!

So to guys who fall inlove with women because of the shape of their nose or eyes, or silky hands. TOUGH LUCK! We can´t be held responsible for your weaknesses and disgusting behaviour. As is the case with some rape cases in the middle-east for example. (I have read about here.)

You are accountable for your own actions....even if she had to waltz down the street in a micro-mini.

BTW is the crime of rape not more a power struggle than not being able to control sexual urges?? That excuse is so lame. ughhh

 

Finally, I would just like to add that the decision to dress in an Islamically correct fashion, lies with the individual. Freedom of choice. Chapter 2, the first sentence of verse 256 clarifies that point. The rest of the verse is even more imporant though. That should really clear up any further confusion on the issue of free-will.

 

You have been commanded to dress modestly, yes. As the verse reads; "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty..."

To dress modestly or not. Why is this topic and that of the headscarf an endless one among Islamic and non-Islamic circles? (Not TC, but generally)

Non-Islamic, I can understand, but Muslims themselves?

 

The FIRST chapter of the Quran revealed to mankind:

" Read: In the name of thy Lord who createth. Createth man from a clot. Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous. Who teaches by the pen....", emphasises the importance of knowledge.

 

Knowledge enables us to make more informative decisions. ^^;

 

 



Edited (11/18/2009) by Ruh [incorrect word used.]

49.       Ruh
13 posts
 18 Nov 2009 Wed 03:20 pm

 

Quoting Zimmygirl

 

 

 I am glad that you also understand what I am trying to tell people. Islam is more than just a hijab. I may also add that Islam is more than just  a kofia (what the men put on their head). 

Interesting that you use the word KOFIA. ^___^

It is commonly used here in my country but almost all of my muslim friends abroad are not familiar with it. They either use the word fez, skull cap and other terms I have never known before...hehe

Islam is more than a headscarf and kofia, I agree. But you must remember that a person´s way of dress is also his/her identity in Islam. ^^;

I am not familiar with any Quranic verse that commands men to wear kofia though. I think that is more a cultural or traditional thing (chinese of yesteryear for example) than a religious obligation. ^__^

50.       zettea
160 posts
 18 Nov 2009 Wed 07:32 pm

why not just end the discussion. In the history of this forum, such topics always go out of hand. So yeah.. leave it.

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