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30.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 10:37 am

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Human rights are human rights, regardless of countries or cultures. See UN Declaration.

 

 Actually, the UN declaration has been under debate since the beginning. Not all of the countries in the world have signed it, and also some countries have signed it with a big reservations in the end-notes. The same is true for the Universal Children rights convention (which by the way, among others Turkey has ratified, but the US has not).

The question always remains, are the things that some of us hold for true (like the equality between men and women) something that is a universal truth. For example, in the Quran inequality between men and women is clearly written down, so where does this fit in with the so called universal rights?

31.       lemon
1374 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 12:56 pm

I am pasting this from wiki. And I am thinking: who the hell uploaded this mish-mash? It states "all the soviet bloc states" and then it goes belorussia (btw a spelling), ukraine as if these two were something different than the rest 13. plus poland, czechoslovakia and yugoslavia were in the bloc. {#emotions_dlg.doh}

another comment: of course, afghanistan, the leading country. 2/3 of these nations violate the rights they themselves have adopted and signed. well done for UN!

Adoption

The Universal Declaration was adopted by the General Assembly on 10 December 1948 by a vote of 48 in favor, 0 against, with 8 abstentions (all the Soviet Bloc states, Byelorussia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukraine, USSR, as well as Yugoslavia, South Africa and Saudi Arabia).[8]

The following countries voted in favor of the Declaration: Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Burma, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Denmark, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Liberia, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Thailand, Sweden, Syria, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay and Venezuela.[9]

Despite the central role played by Canadian John Humphrey, the Canadian Government at first abstained from voting on the Declaration´s draft, but later voted in favor of the final draft in the General Assembly

32.       lemon
1374 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 12:57 pm

now you should love me for this:

 

Article 1 
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2 
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3 
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 4 
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
Article 5 
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 6 
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7 
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8 
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
Article 9 
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10 
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 11
  1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
  2. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
Article 12 
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13 
  1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
  2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including their own, and to return to their country.
Article 14 
  1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
  2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 15 
  1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
  2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 16 
  1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
  2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
  3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
Article 17 
  1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
  2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Article 18 
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19 
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20 
  1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
  2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21 
  1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of their country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
  2. Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in their country.
  3. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Article 22 
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
Article 23 
  1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
  2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
  3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
  4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
Article 24 
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Article 25 
  1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
  2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Article 26 
  1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
  2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
  3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
Article 27 
  1. Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
  2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
Article 28 
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29 
  1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
  2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
  3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 30 
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein. 

33.       lemon
1374 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 12:59 pm

and of course something interesting

 

Islamic criticism

Some Islamic countries have criticized the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for its perceived failure to take into the account the cultural and religious context of Islamic countries. In 1982, the Iranian representative to the United Nations, Said Rajaie-Khorassani, articulated the position of his country regarding the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, by saying that the UDHR was "a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition", which could not be implemented by Muslims without trespassing the Islamic law.[18] On 30 June 2000, Muslim nations that are members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference[19] officially resolved to support the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam,[20] an alternative document that says people have "freedom and right to a dignified life in accordance with the Islamic Shari’ah

34.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 01:30 pm

 

Quoting raindrops

yes, america is like that ... we need to feel the edge, which we cannot cross.

to avoid situation when child intimidate parents: if you dont let me to play computer games i will call some number (and this number is printed on checks, tickets etc) and tell authority ab your inappropriate behavior.

 

Can you tell me where in America it´s like that? I´d be interested to see it! Actually the Child Protective Services is a public agency that has more cases of serious neglect and abuse to deal with then it can handle.

35.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 01:35 pm

 

Quoting lemon

and of course something interesting

 

Islamic criticism

Some Islamic countries have criticized the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for its perceived failure to take into the account the cultural and religious context of Islamic countries. In 1982, the Iranian representative to the United Nations, Said Rajaie-Khorassani, articulated the position of his country regarding the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, by saying that the UDHR was "a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition", which could not be implemented by Muslims without trespassing the Islamic law.[18] On 30 June 2000, Muslim nations that are members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference[19] officially resolved to support the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam,[20] an alternative document that says people have "freedom and right to a dignified life in accordance with the Islamic Shari’ah

 

They are quite entitled to their criticism. So what that the west has a declaration of human rights if it doesn´t follow it anyway and causes more death and destruction around the world then any other nation.

Sure, sharia is horrible, but maybe if we let the Arabs breathe a little bit in their own countries, they would finally make the progress that they need, and there ARE all kinds of human rights movements in the Arab world. Some of the most influential public figures are women, like Malalai Joya or Asha Haji Elmi.

36.       scalpel
1472 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 01:58 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Broad subject!! I wanted to start this thread to start the conversation. I want to see what is the public consciousness about human rights violations in Turkey, and if talking about it will be a shock and outrage for most people, or just reinstating what they already know. For a start I´d like to give a link to a Turkish human rights organization:


Human Rights Foundation of Turkey

 

 

 almost at the level of zero

37.       lemon
1374 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 02:02 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

They are quite entitled to their criticism. So what that the west has a declaration of human rights if it doesn´t follow it anyway and causes more death and destruction around the world then any other nation.

Sure, sharia is horrible, but maybe if we let the Arabs breathe a little bit in their own countries, they would finally make the progress that they need, and there ARE all kinds of human rights movements in the Arab world. Some of the most influential public figures are women, like Malalai Joya or Asha Haji Elmi.

you see what you want to see.

 

you quoted not my opinion, but the text I pasted from wiki.

 

and of course, everyone has the right for the criticism. am I denying or refusing any right?

 

and I dont care for anything happening in the Arab world. It is their world, their women, their children. If they violate, they harm theirs, not mine.

 

 

 

38.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 02:16 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

you see what you want to see.

 

you quoted not my opinion, but the text I pasted from wiki.

 

and of course, everyone has the right for the criticism. am I denying or refusing any right?

 

and I dont care for anything happening in the Arab world. It is their world, their women, their children. If they violate, they harm theirs, not mine.

 

Dont take it so personally, I was just replying to wikipedia. Unlike you, I do care about the Arab world.

39.       lemon
1374 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 02:39 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Dont take it so personally, I was just replying to wikipedia. Unlike you, I do care about the Arab world.

 

oh, sorry if I interrupted your chat with wiki {#emotions_dlg.silenced}

 

of course you care. {#emotions_dlg.love}  you are such a caring and loving person.

40.       ptaszek
440 posts
 04 Mar 2010 Thu 12:51 am

lemon you did ur homework..I will vote for u if u decide to take part in any elections in any country in any time

theory is excellent..practice still having backlogs..but u have my voice!!!

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