Welcome
Login:   Pass:     Register - Forgot Password - Resend Activation

Turkish Class Forums / Turkey

Turkey

Add reply to this discussion
Moderators: libralady, sonunda
Human Rights in Turkey
(45 Messages in 5 pages - View all)
1 2 3 4 5
1.       catwoman
8933 posts
 24 Feb 2010 Wed 09:23 pm

Broad subject!! I wanted to start this thread to start the conversation. I want to see what is the public consciousness about human rights violations in Turkey, and if talking about it will be a shock and outrage for most people, or just reinstating what they already know. For a start I´d like to give a link to a Turkish human rights organization:


Human Rights Foundation of Turkey

 

2.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 24 Feb 2010 Wed 09:37 pm

As i saw the children are put to work in Turkey.. isnt this against the children´s rights ?

3.       foka
597 posts
 24 Feb 2010 Wed 09:44 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

As i saw the children are put to work in Turkey.. isnt this against the children´s rights ?

 

 International Labour Organization in 1973, have adopted minimum ages varying from 14 to 16...but it depends on the country and i bet in Turkey nobody wont say nothing for this situation...

4.       Amber Lonsinger
46 posts
 24 Feb 2010 Wed 10:04 pm

 

Reyhan,

  

Different countries have different income. Turkey does not receive as much income as Americans and so forth do, so in this case children usually work to support their parents, families, and themselves. How they live is like reflecting upon Americas Great Depression back in 1940´s.

 

Or you can look at it this way. Kids want things, young-adults want things thus they get a job to buy what they want.  The allowed age for working is different in Turkey which falls under human rights. My Turkish friends on Facebook (which may I note are young-adults like me) have many freedoms such as internet, cell-phones, cars, even their own homes, est.) for they have jobs to get what they desire.

*And I thought I was living the high life! ;p *

 

It is also a fact that now majority of Turkey has middle-class income. Currently as you read this new airports, railroads, businesses are coming to Turkey. Let´s just hope that Turkey isn´t urbanized too much for the sake of the beauty of the land.

 

Talk to me ,

Amber Lonsinger

 

5.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 24 Feb 2010 Wed 11:12 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

As i saw the children are put to work in Turkey.. isnt this against the children´s rights ?

 

 This is not something uncommon worldwide. Compared to other countries with the same economical development, Turkey is doing very well with children´s rights. The problem is, what is "put to work" and what is just a nice bit of pocket money and some learning experience. If a child of 12 year old helps his father in a tea-house in the summer, this would be against children right laws. But I fully understand the decision. Summer holidays in Turkey are long, and you need to keep your kids busy to keep them out of trouble

 

By the way, the Turkish children-jails are considered amongst the top of the world, in rehabilitation.

6.       ptaszek
440 posts
 24 Feb 2010 Wed 11:25 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

As i saw the children are put to work in Turkey.. isnt this against the children´s rights ?

 

Frankly speaking I don´t see anything wrong with child´s labour in Turkey if it is the result of willingness and support for the family or fulfilling own whims.Most of the families whose kids work are not in a good economic plight.Personally I doubt if any parent would love to send his/her child to work if he/she could afford to buy all the things they want or provide them with basic needs.Moreover what I frequently heard is the attitude towards work.Having it means financial independence,even for a child.In adition it teaches respect and responsibility.I think in case of Turkey children work as an example of human rights violation should not be exaggerated.It is the outcame of religious attitude and tradition.

What worries me is the number of "street children"without support but there is some light in this tunnel as well as both the State and private association are doing their best to improve situation.

7.       catwoman
8933 posts
 25 Feb 2010 Thu 12:53 am

There are other issues that are mentioned in the Human Rights Watch reports on Turkey, like

- police violence and police use of torture

- discrimination and violence against women

- there are 376,000 internally displaced Kurds after army forced them from their villages

- restrictions of freedom of speech

- harassment of Kurdish political parties (recently the Kurdish party was completely closed!!)

- impunity of state officials

8.       teaschip
3870 posts
 25 Feb 2010 Thu 12:57 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 This is not something uncommon worldwide. Compared to other countries with the same economical development, Turkey is doing very well with children´s rights. The problem is, what is "put to work" and what is just a nice bit of pocket money and some learning experience. If a child of 12 year old helps his father in a tea-house in the summer, this would be against children right laws. But I fully understand the decision. Summer holidays in Turkey are long, and you need to keep your kids busy to keep them out of trouble

 

By the way, the Turkish children-jails are considered amongst the top of the world, in rehabilitation.

 

 I agree to a point here.  For example; We have neighborhood kids who are willing to shovel snow for extra money, depending on there age I don´t have a problem with this.  What I do have a problem is children that are FORCED to work at a very young age.  I say let them be children foremost and when they get a little older say 14 they should have the opportunity to work part time to learn how to save money and responsibility.  I feel parents can begin to teach good work ethics and responsibilties at home, by having chores for them to do.  In return how about giving them a little allowance for spending money if they do their chores. 

 

I´m not familiar with Turkey´s labor laws for children.  However, my experience traveling to other countires and seeing parents making their kids selling trinkets etc...bother me a great deal.  I feel so sorry for these children.{#emotions_dlg.sad}  But if it´s their only means of survival, I guess you do what you have to.

9.       Jae
37 posts
 25 Feb 2010 Thu 01:41 am

I have read and to the most parts concur with many issues on children and their rights after being a lawyer advocating children´s rights for the past 20 years I would be wrong not to: my issue is clear and very simple, probably almost child like ( excuse the pun ) Turkey is  a very large and to some extents a diverse country so where some areas may be somewhat ( lets put it niceley) questionable in their ethics there are other parts of this contry which would hang their heads in shame. In a nut sell: where I live the word orphanage doesn´t come up we all look after those wo are with us, yes children work, but only as they do everywhere else in the world for one of 2 reasons: it is the family business or secondly they want the newest Cd.

There will always be problems in respect of the vunerable no matter what nationality: England being the worst culparate. Turkey in my own opinion is no worse or no better than the rest of the world: and who are we to sit in judgment, rather than judge do something about it. It is not hard but yet again it is not easy but Oak trees do grow from acorns.

10.       raindrops
267 posts
 25 Feb 2010 Thu 06:18 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

There are other issues that are mentioned in the Human Rights Watch reports on Turkey, like

- police violence and police use of torture

- discrimination and violence against women

- there are 376,000 internally displaced Kurds after army forced them from their villages

- restrictions of freedom of speech

- harassment of Kurdish political parties (recently the Kurdish party was completely closed!!)

- impunity of state officials

 

and what do you expect from us??? just discussing awful things? defending some aspects like with working children?

11.       Amber Lonsinger
46 posts
 25 Feb 2010 Thu 06:35 pm

 

´Police violence and police use of torture´

 My Turkish friend lives in a small town in Turkey by a dock. He reported a crime he did not want to tell me to the police. The police took care of this matter respectfully and corresponding.

QUESTION: "Are the crime rates high and increasing in Turkey?´

 

-Ambra Lonsinger, America 

12.       ptaszek
440 posts
 25 Feb 2010 Thu 10:01 pm

 

Quoting Amber Lonsinger

 

Reyhan, 

Talk to me ,

Amber Lonsinger

 

 

 you are the third in a queue,Me and AE are trying to persuade ReyhanL to adopt us but still she seems indifferent.No respond from her .Pity as she would make a great foster mother....

All left for us is to advocate our issue in TLC UN((((



Edited (2/25/2010) by ptaszek [spring coming..colours needed.)]

13.       MsChocolate
7 posts
 25 Feb 2010 Thu 11:16 pm

I see that you stared talk about a breaking a children right.  I must to agree with opinion, that is not bad, when children help they parents in some work. Human and children rights are breaking not just in  Turkey but in the rest of a world and I think that it´s not new.  Breaking a human right is guilty a politicans. They just want to have a lot for yourself, and don´t think about rest of people in their country. The most important for they is it, that their causes are the most important, and anything else is not worth. But sometimes we can´t wait for reaction a politican for breaking a right, sometimes we must take causes in our hand and start to change a situation. We must talk about this situation, we must rebuke when we see that husbands bite a wifes, when the boys are fighting with small boy, when a hooligans are dagmaged a building. We must rebuke people that thay do bad and the world will be go to better times ; )

14.       raindrops
267 posts
 25 Feb 2010 Thu 11:31 pm

 

Quoting MsChocolate

I see that you stared talk about a breaking a children right.  I must to agree with opinion, that is not bad, when children help they parents in some work. Human and children rights are breaking not just in  Turkey but in the rest of a world and I think that it´s not new.  Breaking a human right is guilty a politicans. They just want to have a lot for yourself, and don´t think about rest of people in their country. The most important for they is it, that their causes are the most important, and anything else is not worth. But sometimes we can´t wait for reaction a politican for breaking a right, sometimes we must take causes in our hand and start to change a situation. We must talk about this situation, we must rebuke when we see that husbands bite a wifes, when the boys are fighting with small boy, when a hooligans are dagmaged a building. We must rebuke people that thay do bad and the world will be go to better times ; )

 

yes, america is like that ... we need to feel the edge, which we cannot cross.

to avoid situation when child intimidate parents: if you dont let me to play computer games i will call some number (and this number is printed on checks, tickets etc) and tell authority ab your inappropriate behavior.

 

15.       ptaszek
440 posts
 25 Feb 2010 Thu 11:50 pm

 

Quoting raindrops

 

 

yes, america is like that ..

 

 

 German report from last month-big petrol resources discovered in Poland

Polish response-we are all wondering when Americans will come with humanitarian aid.)))

16.       raindrops
267 posts
 25 Feb 2010 Thu 11:58 pm

 

Quoting ptaszek

 

 

 German report from last month-big petrol resources discovered in Poland

Polish response-we are all wondering when Americans will come with humanitarian aid.)))

 

you dont have democracy?

then we are flying to you ...

 

be ready, they will come .... what do yo have there? bad president? atomic weapon? tell us - at we will know true reason

17.       ptaszek
440 posts
 26 Feb 2010 Fri 12:04 am

 

Quoting raindrops

 

 

you dont have democracy?

then we are flying to you ...

 

be ready, they will come .... what do yo have there? bad president? atomic weapon? tell us - at we will know true reason

 

 we do have democracy but also we have so called i will show all attitude.Imagine 10 Poles 20 ways of thinking and this damn romanticism,we all criticise all but try to dare criticize if you are not one of us.We are too far democratic and independent in a way of thinking and too far naughty.Well,that is the way we are .))

18.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Feb 2010 Fri 12:15 am

 

Quoting ptaszek

German report from last month-big petrol resources discovered in Poland

Polish response-we are all wondering when Americans will come with humanitarian aid.)))

 

{#emotions_dlg.lol}{#emotions_dlg.lol}{#emotions_dlg.lol}

19.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Feb 2010 Fri 02:08 am

 

Quoting catwoman

There are other issues that are mentioned in the Human Rights Watch reports on Turkey, like

- police violence and police use of torture

- discrimination and violence against women

- there are 376,000 internally displaced Kurds after army forced them from their villages

- restrictions of freedom of speech

- harassment of Kurdish political parties (recently the Kurdish party was completely closed!!)

- impunity of state officials

 

- About police violence in schools ...., on the other hand, Turkia seems to have a shortage of criminally inclined students with easy access to automatic shot guns, like some of the civilised Western countries.

- about violence against women and discrimination against Kurds.......violence against women is largely associated with Kurdish way of life and thought, not only in Turkia but in other countries they live in. I watch their numbers increasing in Western countries with great amusement; we shall soon hear different stories from likes of catwoman.

 



Edited (2/26/2010) by AlphaF

20.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Feb 2010 Fri 03:35 am

 

Quoting ptaszek

 

 

 we do have democracy but also we have so called i will show all attitude.Imagine 10 Poles 20 ways of thinking and this damn romanticism,we all criticise all but try to dare criticize if you are not one of us.We are too far democratic and independent in a way of thinking and too far naughty.Well,that is the way we are .))

Very well said sis !

Democracy, in Western sense, is a way of managing the country where nobody has the faintest idea what to do when a certain problem arises. in their total ignorance, all they can do is to count heads and assume the large numbers always decide right.

 

What happens when you throw a Pole - into that crowd - if the Pole  actually knows what to do in that specific situation. Would he yield to a crowd of idiots, when he knows them to be all wrong? Never !..It is only natural that he makes it a point of honor to get everybody else in line. {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

I always wondered why big corporations seem to be yapping in favor of democracy all the time, yet never adopt democracy for their own corporate management ! Wink

 

 



Edited (2/26/2010) by AlphaF

21.       raindrops
267 posts
 26 Feb 2010 Fri 11:19 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

I always wondered why big corporations seem to be yapping in favor of democracy all the time, yet never adopt democracy for their own corporate management !

 

 

 

bec demorcacy destroys

22.       MrX67
2540 posts
 01 Mar 2010 Mon 09:36 pm

sure human rights not enough even very less,especially for some part of Turkish people (women,kids and poor people),but i think we have to notice that human rights term a bit relative depend on cultural specialities of different countries.Anyway our target must be 12 at least on the standart or common human rights..in my opinion main problem on human rigts ,setting optimum limits,for keep in balance society and individual..



Edited (3/1/2010) by MrX67

23.       Trudy
7887 posts
 01 Mar 2010 Mon 09:48 pm

 

Quoting MrX67

sure human rights not enough even very less,especially for some part of Turkish people (women,kids and poor people),but i think we have to notice that human rights term a bit relative depend on cultural specialities of different countries.Anyway our target must be 12 at least on the standart or common human rights..in my opinion main problem on human rigts ,setting optimum limits,for keep in balance society and individual..

 

Human rights are human rights, regardless of countries or cultures. See UN Declaration.

24.       MrX67
2540 posts
 01 Mar 2010 Mon 09:50 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Human rights are human rights, regardless of countries or cultures. See UN Declaration.

 

 sure human rights are human rights,but things not the same as always how  seen from out

25.       raindrops
267 posts
 01 Mar 2010 Mon 10:25 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Human rights are human rights, regardless of countries or cultures. See UN Declaration.

 

how many nations were united and represented at the moment of declaration adoption? )

26.       lemon
1374 posts
 01 Mar 2010 Mon 11:17 pm

 

Quoting raindrops

 

 

how many nations were united and represented at the moment of declaration adoption? )

 

why? you have a problem with declaration? or certains nations have a problem?

27.       raindrops
267 posts
 01 Mar 2010 Mon 11:31 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

why? you have a problem with declaration? or certains nations have a problem?

 

it was answer to

 

24.       MrX67
2539 posts
Private message


Quote
 01 Mar 2010 Mon 02:50 pm

 

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Human rights are human rights, regardless of countries or cultures. See UN Declaration.

 

 sure human rights are human rights,but things not the same as always how  seen from out

28.       barkindo
22 posts
 02 Mar 2010 Tue 09:24 am

human rights in Turkey?  In the past i have befriended a young, very bright autistic young turkish man.  he seemed t be living  in appalling conditions and with a host of health problems and he  was- and is- in continuous pain.  I managed to get him to come and see me, and it became soon apparent that he was suffering from more than just health problems. --he had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder-- caused by a childhood of abuse and neglect.  What would parents compel to do that to their only son?  Only because he was  ´different´.

He is now facing a lifetime of ridicule, illness and probably the tender mercies of a Turkish mental hospital.  I love Turkey and as you said, bad things happen everywhere.  But having to stand by and watch helplessly is a different story. 

29.       Trudy
7887 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 12:06 am

 

Quoting barkindo

human rights in Turkey?  In the past i have befriended a young, very bright autistic young turkish man.  he seemed t be living  in appalling conditions and with a host of health problems and he  was- and is- in continuous pain.  I managed to get him to come and see me, and it became soon apparent that he was suffering from more than just health problems. --he had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder-- caused by a childhood of abuse and neglect.  What would parents compel to do that to their only son?  Only because he was  ´different´.

He is now facing a lifetime of ridicule, illness and probably the tender mercies of a Turkish mental hospital.  I love Turkey and as you said, bad things happen everywhere.  But having to stand by and watch helplessly is a different story. 

 

I guess you might be interested in the book of Birsen Basar (24), a Dutch-Turkish young woman who wrote an autobiographic book about her autism. I don´t know the Turkish title nor publisher, only the Dutch one, but I think you can google it.

30.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 10:37 am

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Human rights are human rights, regardless of countries or cultures. See UN Declaration.

 

 Actually, the UN declaration has been under debate since the beginning. Not all of the countries in the world have signed it, and also some countries have signed it with a big reservations in the end-notes. The same is true for the Universal Children rights convention (which by the way, among others Turkey has ratified, but the US has not).

The question always remains, are the things that some of us hold for true (like the equality between men and women) something that is a universal truth. For example, in the Quran inequality between men and women is clearly written down, so where does this fit in with the so called universal rights?

31.       lemon
1374 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 12:56 pm

I am pasting this from wiki. And I am thinking: who the hell uploaded this mish-mash? It states "all the soviet bloc states" and then it goes belorussia (btw a spelling), ukraine as if these two were something different than the rest 13. plus poland, czechoslovakia and yugoslavia were in the bloc. {#emotions_dlg.doh}

another comment: of course, afghanistan, the leading country. 2/3 of these nations violate the rights they themselves have adopted and signed. well done for UN!

Adoption

The Universal Declaration was adopted by the General Assembly on 10 December 1948 by a vote of 48 in favor, 0 against, with 8 abstentions (all the Soviet Bloc states, Byelorussia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukraine, USSR, as well as Yugoslavia, South Africa and Saudi Arabia).[8]

The following countries voted in favor of the Declaration: Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Burma, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Denmark, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Liberia, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Thailand, Sweden, Syria, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay and Venezuela.[9]

Despite the central role played by Canadian John Humphrey, the Canadian Government at first abstained from voting on the Declaration´s draft, but later voted in favor of the final draft in the General Assembly

32.       lemon
1374 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 12:57 pm

now you should love me for this:

 

Article 1 
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2 
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3 
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 4 
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
Article 5 
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 6 
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7 
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8 
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
Article 9 
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10 
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 11
  1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
  2. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
Article 12 
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13 
  1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
  2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including their own, and to return to their country.
Article 14 
  1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
  2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 15 
  1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
  2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 16 
  1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
  2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
  3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
Article 17 
  1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
  2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Article 18 
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19 
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20 
  1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
  2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21 
  1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of their country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
  2. Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in their country.
  3. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Article 22 
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
Article 23 
  1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
  2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
  3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
  4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
Article 24 
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Article 25 
  1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
  2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Article 26 
  1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
  2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
  3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
Article 27 
  1. Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
  2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
Article 28 
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29 
  1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
  2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
  3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 30 
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein. 

33.       lemon
1374 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 12:59 pm

and of course something interesting

 

Islamic criticism

Some Islamic countries have criticized the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for its perceived failure to take into the account the cultural and religious context of Islamic countries. In 1982, the Iranian representative to the United Nations, Said Rajaie-Khorassani, articulated the position of his country regarding the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, by saying that the UDHR was "a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition", which could not be implemented by Muslims without trespassing the Islamic law.[18] On 30 June 2000, Muslim nations that are members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference[19] officially resolved to support the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam,[20] an alternative document that says people have "freedom and right to a dignified life in accordance with the Islamic Shari’ah

34.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 01:30 pm

 

Quoting raindrops

yes, america is like that ... we need to feel the edge, which we cannot cross.

to avoid situation when child intimidate parents: if you dont let me to play computer games i will call some number (and this number is printed on checks, tickets etc) and tell authority ab your inappropriate behavior.

 

Can you tell me where in America it´s like that? I´d be interested to see it! Actually the Child Protective Services is a public agency that has more cases of serious neglect and abuse to deal with then it can handle.

35.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 01:35 pm

 

Quoting lemon

and of course something interesting

 

Islamic criticism

Some Islamic countries have criticized the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for its perceived failure to take into the account the cultural and religious context of Islamic countries. In 1982, the Iranian representative to the United Nations, Said Rajaie-Khorassani, articulated the position of his country regarding the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, by saying that the UDHR was "a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition", which could not be implemented by Muslims without trespassing the Islamic law.[18] On 30 June 2000, Muslim nations that are members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference[19] officially resolved to support the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam,[20] an alternative document that says people have "freedom and right to a dignified life in accordance with the Islamic Shari’ah

 

They are quite entitled to their criticism. So what that the west has a declaration of human rights if it doesn´t follow it anyway and causes more death and destruction around the world then any other nation.

Sure, sharia is horrible, but maybe if we let the Arabs breathe a little bit in their own countries, they would finally make the progress that they need, and there ARE all kinds of human rights movements in the Arab world. Some of the most influential public figures are women, like Malalai Joya or Asha Haji Elmi.

36.       scalpel
1472 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 01:58 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Broad subject!! I wanted to start this thread to start the conversation. I want to see what is the public consciousness about human rights violations in Turkey, and if talking about it will be a shock and outrage for most people, or just reinstating what they already know. For a start I´d like to give a link to a Turkish human rights organization:


Human Rights Foundation of Turkey

 

 

 almost at the level of zero

37.       lemon
1374 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 02:02 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

They are quite entitled to their criticism. So what that the west has a declaration of human rights if it doesn´t follow it anyway and causes more death and destruction around the world then any other nation.

Sure, sharia is horrible, but maybe if we let the Arabs breathe a little bit in their own countries, they would finally make the progress that they need, and there ARE all kinds of human rights movements in the Arab world. Some of the most influential public figures are women, like Malalai Joya or Asha Haji Elmi.

you see what you want to see.

 

you quoted not my opinion, but the text I pasted from wiki.

 

and of course, everyone has the right for the criticism. am I denying or refusing any right?

 

and I dont care for anything happening in the Arab world. It is their world, their women, their children. If they violate, they harm theirs, not mine.

 

 

 

38.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 02:16 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

you see what you want to see.

 

you quoted not my opinion, but the text I pasted from wiki.

 

and of course, everyone has the right for the criticism. am I denying or refusing any right?

 

and I dont care for anything happening in the Arab world. It is their world, their women, their children. If they violate, they harm theirs, not mine.

 

Dont take it so personally, I was just replying to wikipedia. Unlike you, I do care about the Arab world.

39.       lemon
1374 posts
 03 Mar 2010 Wed 02:39 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Dont take it so personally, I was just replying to wikipedia. Unlike you, I do care about the Arab world.

 

oh, sorry if I interrupted your chat with wiki {#emotions_dlg.silenced}

 

of course you care. {#emotions_dlg.love}  you are such a caring and loving person.

40.       ptaszek
440 posts
 04 Mar 2010 Thu 12:51 am

lemon you did ur homework..I will vote for u if u decide to take part in any elections in any country in any time

theory is excellent..practice still having backlogs..but u have my voice!!!

41.       raindrops
267 posts
 04 Mar 2010 Thu 02:10 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Can you tell me where in America it´s like that? I´d be interested to see it! Actually the Child Protective Services is a public agency that has more cases of serious neglect and abuse to deal with then it can handle.

 

of course i can. Maine, Portland. will not tell names, bec there were real cases.

42.       ptaszek
440 posts
 04 Mar 2010 Thu 02:13 am

kocur lives in dream land,give up raindrops!!!!!!!!!{#emotions_dlg.get_you}

43.       raindrops
267 posts
 04 Mar 2010 Thu 02:17 am

 

Quoting lemon

I am pasting this from wiki. And I am thinking: who the hell uploaded this mish-mash? It states "all the soviet bloc states" and then it goes belorussia (btw a spelling), ukraine as if these two were something different than the rest 13. plus poland, czechoslovakia and yugoslavia were in the bloc. {#emotions_dlg.doh}

 

Belorussia and ukraine were different than the rest 13. they were kernel and slav countries, had own representatives.

44.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Mar 2010 Thu 02:27 am

 

Quoting ptaszek

kocur lives in dream land,give up raindrops!!!!!!!!!{#emotions_dlg.get_you}

 

I hope you´re not my crazy neighbor ptaszenku.. {#emotions_dlg.scared}

45.       ptaszek
440 posts
 04 Mar 2010 Thu 02:32 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

I hope you´re not my crazy neighbor ptaszenku.. {#emotions_dlg.scared}

 

 kocurku!!!!!!!!!!{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}no wayyyyyyyyyy

what about ur neighbour???

(45 Messages in 5 pages - View all)
1 2 3 4 5
Add reply to this discussion




Turkish Dictionary
Turkish Chat
Open mini chat
New in Forums
Why yer gördüm but yeri geziyorum
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much, makes perfect sense!
Etmeyi vs etmek
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much!
Görülmez vs görünmiyor
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much, very well explained!
Içeri and içeriye
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much for the detailed ...
Present continous tense
HaydiDeer: Got it, thank you!
Hic vs herhangi, degil vs yok
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much!
Rize Artvin Airport Transfer - Rize Tours
rizetours: Dear Guest; In order to make your Black Sea trip more enjoyable, our c...
What does \"kabul ettiğini\" mean?
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much for the detailed ...
Kimse vs biri (anyone)
HaydiDeer: Thank you!
Random Pictures of Turkey
Most liked
Major Vowel Harmony

Turkish lesson by admin
Level: beginner
Introduction

Turkish lesson by admin
Level: beginner