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10.       scalpel
1472 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 01:35 am

 

Quoting karinalinares

really?? I didnt know that muslins needed to love Jesus...I am not muslin but my boyfriend is...i will ask him btw rsrs thanks

 

 Our sacred book Quran affirms the Messiah, Jesus,Son of Mary is a prophet of Allah. Quran says, "disbelieving in one messenger (prophet) of Allah is to disbelieving all", So we muslims should believe in Christ and love him.

 

 

11.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 01:45 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 Our sacred book Quran affirms the Messiah, Jesus,Son of Mary is a prophet of Allah. Quran says, "disbelieving in one messenger (prophet) of Allah is to disbelieving all", So we muslims should believe in Christ and love him.

 

 

 

true, but yet you, muslims, state that jesus christ, the messiah, as even you just called him, was just a prophet, 1 of many (20 000 or smth, if i remember correctly - from the book called "jesus, a prophet of islam"), not son of god, messiah, salvor. so why you even feel a need to believe IN him if he isn´t a salvation to you? jesus died for humans and raised from the dead, so that humans could do the same. "just some prophet" can never do that. so where is a salvation for muslims? if there even exists 1...

12.       scalpel
1472 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 02:50 am

 

Quoting yakamozzz

 

 

true, but yet you, muslims, state that jesus christ, the messiah, as even you just called him, was just a prophet, 1 of many (20 000 or smth, if i remember correctly - from the book called "jesus, a prophet of islam"), not son of god, messiah, salvor. so why you even feel a need to believe IN him if he isn´t a salvation to you? jesus died for humans and raised from the dead, so that humans could do the same. "just some prophet" can never do that. so where is a salvation for muslims? if there even exists 1...

 

 There are 124 000 prophets of the different rank and status. 313 of them are messengers. 25 prophets names are mentioned in Quran. Muhammed (sav) too is one of 124.000.

 

Here are ayats 19-20-21-22-23 from Surah Maryam (Maryam = Mary)

 

ayat 19: He said, ´ I am only a messenger of your Lord. That I may give you a pure son´.

ayat 20: She said, "from where shall I have a son, no man has touched me, nor I am an unchaste? 

ayat 21: He said, ´so it is, your Lord has said, this is easy to me´, and that We make it a sign for the people and a mercy from Us, and this matter is already decreed. 

ayat 22: Now Maryam conceived it, then she went away with him to a far off place.

ayat 23: Then the pains of the childbirth brought her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She said, Oh, would that I had died before this and had become a thing forgotten, lost´.

 

Surah An-Nisaa - Ayat 171

´O people of the Book! Exceed not in your religion, and do not say of Allah any thing but truth. The Messiah Issa son of Marium is only the Messenger of Allah and His word that was sent to Mary and a spirit from Him. Then believe in Allah and His Messengers and do not say, ´three´. Refrain for your own good. Allah is the only one God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And Allah is Sufficient, as real Doer.

 

 


 

 

 

 



Edited (3/25/2010) by scalpel [addition surah an-nisaa]

13.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 06:50 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 There are 124 000 prophets of the different rank and status. 313 of them are messengers. 25 prophets names are mentioned in Quran. Muhammed (sav) too is one of 124.000.

 

Here are ayats 19-20-21-22-23 from Surah Maryam (Maryam = Mary)

 

ayat 19: He said, ´ I am only a messenger of your Lord. That I may give you a pure son´.

ayat 20: She said, "from where shall I have a son, no man has touched me, nor I am an unchaste? 

ayat 21: He said, ´so it is, your Lord has said, this is easy to me´, and that We make it a sign for the people and a mercy from Us, and this matter is already decreed. 

ayat 22: Now Maryam conceived it, then she went away with him to a far off place.

ayat 23: Then the pains of the childbirth brought her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She said, Oh, would that I had died before this and had become a thing forgotten, lost´.

 

Surah An-Nisaa - Ayat 171

´O people of the Book! Exceed not in your religion, and do not say of Allah any thing but truth. The Messiah Issa son of Marium is only the Messenger of Allah and His word that was sent to Mary and a spirit from Him. Then believe in Allah and His Messengers and do not say, ´three´. Refrain for your own good. Allah is the only one God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And Allah is Sufficient, as real Doer.

 

 


 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok, so - no physical "way of salvation" for muslims, like there is 1 in christianity (through jesus´s death and rising from the dead)...too bad...poor muslims...and i have so many friends muslims... {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

14.       scalpel
1472 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 01:10 pm

 

Quoting yakamozzz

 

ok, so - no physical "way of salvation" for muslims, like there is 1 in christianity (through jesus´s death and rising from the dead)...too bad...poor muslims...and i have so many friends muslims... {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

 

I think you miss a point: we believe in the same God, the one and only God...We believe in your prophet, Jesus...We believe in Holy Bible...and our belief doesn´t fulfill until we accept Jesus as a prophet of Allah, and until we accept Holy Bible as divine revelation from almighty God...No leaf falls without his knowing it, without his instruction...

 

Ali imran / ayet 56

 

When Allah said, ‘O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will exalt thee to Myself, and will clear thee from the charges of those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ. 

15.       Inscrutable
1000 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 01:43 pm

Scalpel

16.       karinalinares
684 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 01:36 pm

oh thanks, i didnt know all this information, I am baptist, we study about many religions, and I wanst sure if you guys need to respect Jesus, but I knew you know about Him and Mary and His steps in the earth. Interesting to know, thanks for sharing all this information.

 

17.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 02:20 pm

Yakamoz is right, muslims do not need to love or believe in christian version of Jesus.

18.       scalpel
1472 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 05:14 pm

 

Quoting armegon

Yakamoz is right, muslims do not need to love or believe in christian version of Jesus.

 

My proofs are from Quran...Where are yours from? 

19.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 07:25 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

My proofs are from Quran...Where are yours from? 

 

I dont need a proof since yakamoz proved it clearly. Yakamoz love the Jesus depicted in Gospels, you love the Jesus depicted in Quran. Both are different, you dont talk about same Jesus, one is human God, other is just prophet, otherwise there were no muslims but christians, no need for Islam simply if both are same.

20.       scalpel
1472 posts
 27 Mar 2010 Sat 04:54 pm

 

Quoting armegon

 

 

I dont need a proof since yakamoz proved it clearly. Yakamoz love the Jesus depicted in Gospels, you love the Jesus depicted in Quran. Both are different, you dont talk about same Jesus, one is human God, other is just prophet, otherwise there were no muslims but christians, no need for Islam simply if both are same.

 

Oh, I deeply appreciate you for kindly giving your precious time and energy to enlighten me. Thank you. I did not know there were more than one Jesus indeed. It is clear now. Once again thank you.{#emotions_dlg.lol}

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