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1.       karinalinares
684 posts
 23 Mar 2010 Tue 06:41 pm

Hio guys, I could not understand completely  this text. So I need your help, i am christian by the way, so if there is something bad I apologize, but I really dotn think so, thanks in advance
Hristiyan ülkelerden birinde yaşayan çocuk hep matematikten sıfır almaktadır.

Aileside çocuğu bir faydası olur diye onu katolik kilisesine gönderir.

Bundan sonra çocuk hep matematik dersi dahil tüm derslerden hep pekiyi almaktadır.

Bunun üzerine ailesi çocuğa sorar:

-Ne değişti?

Çocuk cevap verir:

- Artı işaretine çivilerle çakılmış adamı görünce durumun ciddiyetini anladım.
Hristiyan ülkelerden birinde yaşayan çocuk hep matematikten sıfır almaktadır. Aileside çocuğu bir faydası olur diye onu katolik kilisesine gönderir. Bundan sonra çocuk hep matematik dersi dahil tüm derslerden hep pekiyi almaktadır. Bunun üzerine ailesi çocuğa sorar: -Ne değişti? Çocuk cevap verir: - Artı işaretine çivilerle çakılmış adamı görünce durumun ciddiyetini anladım.

2.       foka
597 posts
 23 Mar 2010 Tue 06:53 pm

 

Quoting karinalinares

Hio guys, I could not understand completely  this text. So I need your help, i am christian by the way, so if there is something bad I apologize, but I really dotn think so, thanks in advance
Hristiyan ülkelerden birinde yaşayan çocuk hep matematikten sıfır almaktadır.

Aileside çocuğu bir faydası olur diye onu katolik kilisesine gönderir.

Bundan sonra çocuk hep matematik dersi dahil tüm derslerden hep pekiyi almaktadır.

Bunun üzerine ailesi çocuğa sorar:

-Ne değişti?

Çocuk cevap verir:

- Artı işaretine çivilerle çakılmış adamı görünce durumun ciddiyetini anladım.
Hristiyan ülkelerden birinde yaşayan çocuk hep matematikten sıfır almaktadır. Aileside çocuğu bir faydası olur diye onu katolik kilisesine gönderir. Bundan sonra çocuk hep matematik dersi dahil tüm derslerden hep pekiyi almaktadır. Bunun üzerine ailesi çocuğa sorar: -Ne değişti? Çocuk cevap verir: - Artı işaretine çivilerle çakılmış adamı görünce durumun ciddiyetini anladım.

 after consultation with one of my great friend

A child who was living in one of Christian countries gets zero (grade/point) from maths.

And his family sends him to a Catholic church thinking that it would help him.

From then on, the child starts to get high Marks (pekiyi, lit. “very good&rdquo from all courses including maths

Upon this, his family asks the child:

-What has changed?

The child answers:

-I understood the seriousness of the matter when I saw the man nailed on the sign of plus.

 

3.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 23 Mar 2010 Tue 07:08 pm

Was this supposed to be a joke ? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

4.       karinalinares
684 posts
 23 Mar 2010 Tue 08:16 pm

unfortunatelly

5.       karinalinares
684 posts
 23 Mar 2010 Tue 08:20 pm

by the way, how do I say " was this supposed to be a joke ??"

6.       deli
5904 posts
 23 Mar 2010 Tue 09:03 pm

şaka bir olmak demek oldu mu{#emotions_dlg.confused}

 

 

 

my try but im not convinced

7.       kdr
15 posts
 24 Mar 2010 Wed 01:48 am

bu bir fıkra mı!

(and you should know that muslims have to love jesus,so ı love{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes})

8.       scalpel
1472 posts
 24 Mar 2010 Wed 02:52 am

 

Quoting karinalinares

by the way, how do I say " was this supposed to be a joke ??"

 

I would say this:

 

 "ne bu şimdi? fıkra mı?"

 

adding yani may make it more impressive: Wink

 

"yani ne şimdi bu? fıkra mı?"

 

9.       karinalinares
684 posts
 24 Mar 2010 Wed 06:17 pm

really?? I didnt know that muslins needed to love Jesus...I am not muslin but my boyfriend is...i will ask him btw rsrs thanks

10.       scalpel
1472 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 01:35 am

 

Quoting karinalinares

really?? I didnt know that muslins needed to love Jesus...I am not muslin but my boyfriend is...i will ask him btw rsrs thanks

 

 Our sacred book Quran affirms the Messiah, Jesus,Son of Mary is a prophet of Allah. Quran says, "disbelieving in one messenger (prophet) of Allah is to disbelieving all", So we muslims should believe in Christ and love him.

 

 

11.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 01:45 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 Our sacred book Quran affirms the Messiah, Jesus,Son of Mary is a prophet of Allah. Quran says, "disbelieving in one messenger (prophet) of Allah is to disbelieving all", So we muslims should believe in Christ and love him.

 

 

 

true, but yet you, muslims, state that jesus christ, the messiah, as even you just called him, was just a prophet, 1 of many (20 000 or smth, if i remember correctly - from the book called "jesus, a prophet of islam"), not son of god, messiah, salvor. so why you even feel a need to believe IN him if he isn´t a salvation to you? jesus died for humans and raised from the dead, so that humans could do the same. "just some prophet" can never do that. so where is a salvation for muslims? if there even exists 1...

12.       scalpel
1472 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 02:50 am

 

Quoting yakamozzz

 

 

true, but yet you, muslims, state that jesus christ, the messiah, as even you just called him, was just a prophet, 1 of many (20 000 or smth, if i remember correctly - from the book called "jesus, a prophet of islam"), not son of god, messiah, salvor. so why you even feel a need to believe IN him if he isn´t a salvation to you? jesus died for humans and raised from the dead, so that humans could do the same. "just some prophet" can never do that. so where is a salvation for muslims? if there even exists 1...

 

 There are 124 000 prophets of the different rank and status. 313 of them are messengers. 25 prophets names are mentioned in Quran. Muhammed (sav) too is one of 124.000.

 

Here are ayats 19-20-21-22-23 from Surah Maryam (Maryam = Mary)

 

ayat 19: He said, ´ I am only a messenger of your Lord. That I may give you a pure son´.

ayat 20: She said, "from where shall I have a son, no man has touched me, nor I am an unchaste? 

ayat 21: He said, ´so it is, your Lord has said, this is easy to me´, and that We make it a sign for the people and a mercy from Us, and this matter is already decreed. 

ayat 22: Now Maryam conceived it, then she went away with him to a far off place.

ayat 23: Then the pains of the childbirth brought her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She said, Oh, would that I had died before this and had become a thing forgotten, lost´.

 

Surah An-Nisaa - Ayat 171

´O people of the Book! Exceed not in your religion, and do not say of Allah any thing but truth. The Messiah Issa son of Marium is only the Messenger of Allah and His word that was sent to Mary and a spirit from Him. Then believe in Allah and His Messengers and do not say, ´three´. Refrain for your own good. Allah is the only one God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And Allah is Sufficient, as real Doer.

 

 


 

 

 

 



Edited (3/25/2010) by scalpel [addition surah an-nisaa]

13.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 06:50 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 There are 124 000 prophets of the different rank and status. 313 of them are messengers. 25 prophets names are mentioned in Quran. Muhammed (sav) too is one of 124.000.

 

Here are ayats 19-20-21-22-23 from Surah Maryam (Maryam = Mary)

 

ayat 19: He said, ´ I am only a messenger of your Lord. That I may give you a pure son´.

ayat 20: She said, "from where shall I have a son, no man has touched me, nor I am an unchaste? 

ayat 21: He said, ´so it is, your Lord has said, this is easy to me´, and that We make it a sign for the people and a mercy from Us, and this matter is already decreed. 

ayat 22: Now Maryam conceived it, then she went away with him to a far off place.

ayat 23: Then the pains of the childbirth brought her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She said, Oh, would that I had died before this and had become a thing forgotten, lost´.

 

Surah An-Nisaa - Ayat 171

´O people of the Book! Exceed not in your religion, and do not say of Allah any thing but truth. The Messiah Issa son of Marium is only the Messenger of Allah and His word that was sent to Mary and a spirit from Him. Then believe in Allah and His Messengers and do not say, ´three´. Refrain for your own good. Allah is the only one God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And Allah is Sufficient, as real Doer.

 

 


 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok, so - no physical "way of salvation" for muslims, like there is 1 in christianity (through jesus´s death and rising from the dead)...too bad...poor muslims...and i have so many friends muslims... {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

14.       scalpel
1472 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 01:10 pm

 

Quoting yakamozzz

 

ok, so - no physical "way of salvation" for muslims, like there is 1 in christianity (through jesus´s death and rising from the dead)...too bad...poor muslims...and i have so many friends muslims... {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

 

I think you miss a point: we believe in the same God, the one and only God...We believe in your prophet, Jesus...We believe in Holy Bible...and our belief doesn´t fulfill until we accept Jesus as a prophet of Allah, and until we accept Holy Bible as divine revelation from almighty God...No leaf falls without his knowing it, without his instruction...

 

Ali imran / ayet 56

 

When Allah said, ‘O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will exalt thee to Myself, and will clear thee from the charges of those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ. 

15.       Inscrutable
1000 posts
 25 Mar 2010 Thu 01:43 pm

Scalpel

16.       karinalinares
684 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 01:36 pm

oh thanks, i didnt know all this information, I am baptist, we study about many religions, and I wanst sure if you guys need to respect Jesus, but I knew you know about Him and Mary and His steps in the earth. Interesting to know, thanks for sharing all this information.

 

17.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 02:20 pm

Yakamoz is right, muslims do not need to love or believe in christian version of Jesus.

18.       scalpel
1472 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 05:14 pm

 

Quoting armegon

Yakamoz is right, muslims do not need to love or believe in christian version of Jesus.

 

My proofs are from Quran...Where are yours from? 

19.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 07:25 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

My proofs are from Quran...Where are yours from? 

 

I dont need a proof since yakamoz proved it clearly. Yakamoz love the Jesus depicted in Gospels, you love the Jesus depicted in Quran. Both are different, you dont talk about same Jesus, one is human God, other is just prophet, otherwise there were no muslims but christians, no need for Islam simply if both are same.

20.       scalpel
1472 posts
 27 Mar 2010 Sat 04:54 pm

 

Quoting armegon

 

 

I dont need a proof since yakamoz proved it clearly. Yakamoz love the Jesus depicted in Gospels, you love the Jesus depicted in Quran. Both are different, you dont talk about same Jesus, one is human God, other is just prophet, otherwise there were no muslims but christians, no need for Islam simply if both are same.

 

Oh, I deeply appreciate you for kindly giving your precious time and energy to enlighten me. Thank you. I did not know there were more than one Jesus indeed. It is clear now. Once again thank you.{#emotions_dlg.lol}

21.       karinalinares
684 posts
 27 Mar 2010 Sat 06:01 pm

the same Jesus, different point of view

22.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 27 Mar 2010 Sat 08:56 pm

 

Quoting karinalinares

the same Jesus, different point of view

 

exactly for 1 world jesus is a messiah, for another world he is just some guy with some prophecy messages or smth, but in the end he was jewish and even most jews don´t concider him as messiah. and for the record - yakamozzz is not a religious person, it´s difficult to believe in anything or to choose any particular religion, coz christians have salvation and pedophile-priests, but muslims have mosques and azan, so for yakamozzz - better is not to chose anything

23.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 27 Mar 2010 Sat 08:59 pm

oops, i just realized that i named 1 good and 1 bad thing in christianity and 2 good things that i love in islam... {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

24.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2010 Sat 10:58 pm

Ohh i see, it would be better if you should learn the meaning of "depiction" firstly, beforehand teasing. Are you one of those "dinlerarası diyalogcu", preaching here? and dont know anything about what you are talking? Btw i did not enligten you, you instead of listening people here quoted verses from Quran , i just repeated the basic teachings to remind you, which are very-well known except idiots.Wink

Quoting scalpel

 

 

Oh, I deeply appreciate you for kindly giving your precious time and energy to enlighten me. Thank you. I did not know there were more than one Jesus indeed. It is clear now. Once again thank you.{#emotions_dlg.lol}

 

 

25.       ptaszek
440 posts
 27 Mar 2010 Sat 11:06 pm

 

Quoting armegon

Ohh i see, it would be better if you should learn the meaning of "depiction" firstly, beforehand teasing. Are you one of those "dinlerarası diyalogcu", preaching here? and dont know anything about what you are talking? Btw i did not enligten you, you instead of listening people here quoted verses from Quran , i just repeated the basic teachings to remind you, which are very-well known except idiots.Wink

 

 

 

 armegoncim))))you have become bitter sweet lately{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}ama ,kimin umurumda.....{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

26.       scalpel
1472 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 12:44 am

 

Quoting armegon

Ohh i see, it would be better if you should learn the meaning of "depiction" firstly, beforehand teasing. Are you one of those "dinlerarası diyalogcu", preaching here? and dont know anything about what you are talking? Btw i did not enligten you, you instead of listening people here quoted verses from Quran , i just repeated the basic teachings to remind you, which are very-well known except idiots.Wink

 

 

 

 It is now even clearer why you are so furious. No, I am not one of Gülen´s follower, neither I belong to any religious group, nor I believe in ´the dialog between the religions´. You are very quick in labeling people as Gülen sympathizers. Maybe you are a bit paranoiac? If you must know, I am a simple muslim with no hidden agenda. I am sorry if I disappointed you by being a simple muslim. I am also sorry for I don´t satisfy your expectations about a low-level debate. Really sorry.  It is not nice of you bringing a dabate to a personal level and trying to win it with your insults.  No matter what you do, you won´t get me to call you moron or something.Wink

 

27.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 02:17 am

Yapma ya, what low-level debate are you talking about? Obviously there was no debate, simply you got what you deserved when you replied offhand teasing irrespective post to my response since you have nothing to say. So is it me or you bringing the conversation into personal level? Besides where did i insult you? I cant see. Do you take my question if you are "dinlerarası diyalogcu" or not as an insult? Then i am happy to know...

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 It is now even clearer why you are so furious. No, I am not one of Gülen´s follower, neither I belong to any religious group, nor I believe in ´the dialog between the religions´. You are very quick in labeling people as Gülen sympathizers. Maybe you are a bit paranoiac? If you must know, I am a simple muslim with no hidden agenda. I am sorry if I disappointed you by being a simple muslim. I am also sorry for I don´t satisfy your expectations about a low-level debate. Really sorry.  It is not nice of you bringing a dabate to a personal level and trying to win it with your insults.  No matter what you do, you won´t get me to call you moron or something.Wink

 

 

 



Edited (3/28/2010) by armegon

28.       scalpel
1472 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 06:08 am

 

Quoting armegon

Yapma ya, what low-level debate are you talking about? Obviously there was no debate, simply you got what you deserved when you replied offhand teasing irrespective post to my response since you have nothing to say. So is it me or you bringing the conversation into personal level? Besides where did i insult you? I cant see. Do you take my question if you are "dinlerarası diyalogcu" or not as an insult? Then i am happy to know...

 

 

 

 Yaptım bile. Wink You are full of anger, dostum. Cool down. Remember it is hard to think logically when you are full of anger. Wink By the way, from now on, I am stopping to answer your posts since even the elementary principles of a quality debate seem unknown to you, besides I want to waste no more time on so a stupid thing like this low-level argument that you started and I, unfortunately, took part in.

29.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 09:04 am

Scalpel, go and educate yourself firstly, its all started by your stupid reply, actually all your posts are stupid, and you are talking about principles, instead of replying my questions, you only babbling here, one more thing if you do not want to take part in this, you should learn to stay silent when you have nothing to say, you know "söz gümüşse sükut altındır". Wink

30.       turkaturk
143 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 05:00 pm

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Edited (9/2/2010) by turkaturk

31.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 05:27 pm

 Feel free to complain about my posts to admins then. That´s my mistake i tried to say "all his posts are stupid in the thread after he replied to me" in a teasing way, as i didnt say anything bad to anyone.  And moreover  you should firstly observe the development of conversation in the thread, you can easily realise, its very different than your case dear.Wink

Quoting turkaturk

 

 

Interesting.

As far as I remember dear Armegon, you tried to crucifiy me when I called that moron in the sunglasses an idiot. And now you and all your righteousness are openly insulting Scapel by calling his posts stupid. {#emotions_dlg.lol}

Your are so bright that you make the sun feel intimidated. I am really proud of you! 

 

 

 

 

32.       sonunda
5004 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 05:32 pm

Would you please all remember that this is the translation forum!

33.       maldini3
3 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 08:07 pm

 

Quoting karinalinares

really?? I didnt know that muslins needed to love Jesus...I am not muslin but my boyfriend is...i will ask him btw rsrs thanks

 

Muslims believe in Jesus and all the prophets,iam Muslim and i carry the name of the holy lady virgin Mary but in Arabic they call me (maryam)  



Edited (3/28/2010) by maldini3 [i want to apologies to every one for using capital letters in my postings i didn,t realize it is something bad sorry again. ]

34.       lady in red
6947 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 08:12 pm

Ok - as Sonunda said - this is the translation forum not the place for religious discussion so I´m locking the thread.

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