Hi, can I ask - do all Turkish men think they can sing and dance? Or is it just the men I know and the ones I see on the TV? 

Yea we all are great singer and dancers why

..and good cook, I suppose...

No my dear elena, actually I have terrible voice and does not know what is dance at all In primary school we use to put our hands on girls hips and wave left and right, and thought this is great dance ever made

I said always that men are better than women, for example, as doctor, cook, singer, teacher, dancer

oh good cook, I read it as Turkilizce- good çook, like very good

 Noooooooooo we  just tell them they are better in the kitchen ,then we dont have to do the cooking

It is always better in the kitchen...if not better, much more fun 

 I´ve always said that behind every great man is a greater woman

  Examples please...

Not alongside?  Or perhaps in front?

 Hm, I always say that behind every great man is a surprised woman.

 I prefer behind, that way we can give them a kick up the backside if they start slacking

TC is becoming increasingly a magnet for bitter women and ranting feminists who could not manage an half way decent relationships with the other sex!!! 

 Calm down thehandsom, there is a thing called sense of humor. You should try to get one  

Yeah yeah...

Sense of humor my hairy bum!!

Tell  us about feminism.. Is it true that you all want to be at the top and some of you are able to make plats with the hair in your armpits because you never shave?

Not all want to be at the top, some of us just want to be equally appreciated and as for the armpit hair

All I want to say is this :

´put on your bras, shave your armpits, dont be demanding to be at the top all the time and quit this all out war against men´..

OK?

 what are! you implying

For such an "enlightened" man, that is a very antiquated view of feminism you have!  Nobody is at war with men, but surely even you would agree that the saying "behind every successful man is a woman" is a patronising expression in the extreme?!   There are many many successful women in their own right, we don´t need to be constantly stereotyped as barefoot, in the kitchen, supporting our men!   

Hahaha how apt that the title of this thread is Turkish Male Fantasies..... "barefoot, in the kitchen, supporting our men!"  

What does it evoke to you? Thread titled male fantasies

 1. To quote Hemingway: "They say the seeds of what we will do are in all of us, but it always seemed to me that in those who make jokes in life the seeds are covered with better soil and with a higher grade of manure."

2. To quote the Oxford English dictionary: "Feminism= the advocacy of women´s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes"

Yes, I´m a feminist but you don´t hear me ranting, and I´m not bitter about women´s rights. Do you think I should have less rights than you because you have a dingdong between your legs and I have a vajayjay? By the way, my joke was a quote from Maryon Pearson. She was happily married with her husband for over 50 years until his death, and she shaved her armpits

(What is the deal with every feminism-scared person bringing up armpits? Is there a link betwee women´s rights and the state of their armpits? I don´t get it... Why should you care about somebody else´s armpit....)

To quote the urban dictionary:´Feminism =is a movement to promote women´s interests at the expense of men. .. Feminists are not concerned, for example, about the fact that four times as many men commit suicide as women .. Feminists demand that we treat men and women as exactly equal unless it suits women to differentiate between the sexes´

And see what Maryon Pearson said : ´The big problem is to find suitable men. I don´t care for them all that much, but you have to have them for politics.´. Obviously, she hated men (maybe she even was a toilet lesbian) and after making life hell for her husband for 50 years, when she died, they found that she was tying the hair from both armpits on her back!! How yuck is that!!!!

We have had enough of seeing hairy armpits of these women and if one looks carefully, you will see these femists are not wearing any bras either!!  (I still dont know why they are against shaving and bras!!)

To quote the Urban DIctionary: Sexism: A discriminative attitude grounded on the gender criteria, and more specifically -our society being still what it is- a discriminative attitude towards women.

 That´s because they famously burned them in a protest  not to mention there are a lot of men out there that don´t mind staring at a woman´s breasts when her nipples are clearly showing but on a more serious note, feminists are like a lot of (not all) fanatics when it comes to proving a point. They made their statements quite clear about equality but they were ignored and pushed to the side so they then came up with more dramatic protests and thanks to those "feminists who don´t shave/over bearing on men" etc we are now allowed to vote, work and even wear trousers!

Apparantly women were not seen as good to work (in factories etc) and that men were better than women until men were sent off to War and so they had no choice but to let women work to keep the businesses running and whilst doing so they actually found a lot of women were good, if not better at the job than the men

Oh, I love Urban Dictionary

Turkey

A country that serves as the bridge between Eastern Europe and Western Asia. Its biggest city is Istanbul although they changed the capital to Ankara 70 years ago. Men are a little on the crazy side but the chicks are uber hot.

I don´t understand what annoys you about women who believe they should have the same rights as men...we´re all human and the way we were brought up or the chances we were given make us more than what we have between the legs. And it´s not epilation preferences or the choice of underwear that makes feminists. you´d be surprised how many women who let their husbands have the upper hand forget to shave once they marry. Women´s changing room at swimming pools is one of the most revolting places I´ve seen

 So are the men´s toilets in pubs  

Ohh..DDcim...

I did not know you were thinking that way.. I always thought that all feminists are "no-bras but ignore my chest around my belly ", "here is my armpit hair" type girls..

Thank you for this post. You have changed my perception about feminists..

Making feminist sound like angry bitter woman is THE way to downgrade women and block them from having equal rights. I am a feminist. At the moment I have shaven armpits, and I´m wearing a bra. Yes, I don´t always wear a bra, but I have never had any complains about that (You know, mine are not the hanging type and having bra-lines under a strapless dress is just ugly) The urban dictionary says a bra is an "Annoying barrier preventing entrance to a womans chest area....", so all those sexist men out there should support those "bra-burning" feminist for removing that barrier.

bi sey diil TheHansomcim memnuniyetle yaptim. Iyi ki en sonunda anladin

Ok – my two cents (like anyone asked, eh?)….

I am not a feminist, although I am a product of an incredibly strong woman who single-handedly put her two daughters through private Universities, but I dare say that I am a “Humanist.”

I believe, and live my life, by the basic Beatles motto, “Live and Let Live.”  Everyone, aside from their beliefs, SEX, race…., should be free to live THEIR life as THEY well please.  If anyone is so against how a person lives their life – they should not simply do the same – what’s the issue?

My fascination with the Turkish culture is that I cannot seem to wrap my head around the patriarchal society and how it continues to exist in this modern world.  Not that the Turks are alone in this, but I have recently met and socialize with a few Turkish men who seem to have such an ingrained way of referring to a woman’s “place” whilst continuing to gawk and admire strong, successful (and beautifully shaven) women in western society.  Their verbalized thoughts are simply that those amazing women are wonderful (and oh-so fantasy worthy), but never ‘good enough’ to take as a wife.  Go figure!  It’s like saying that filet minion is an amazing piece of meat, but I would never dream of eating it! 

Reminds me of that old joke:  Man asks God why he made women so soft and beautiful…God replied, “So you would like them.”  When he then asked why he made them so simple-minded…God replied, “So they would like you.”

Anyway, hats-off to all you women out there that are independent, strong and self-sufficient.  Should you look for a spouse (aka partner-in-life) that meets your criteria – may he lead, follow or get the heck out of your way!

As much as I agree with this comment I must say it´s one thing I quite like about going to different countries. For example, male turkish friends of mine remain ONLY friends for the reason you stated (i´m not their wife material). I´m not saying i´m fantasy worthy (far from it!) but i´m not "their type of wife/meal" and so therefore I can have them as friends without having to think they may be interested or want something more etc.

It kind of goes back to the post "male-female friendships in Turkey" and I can honestly say I do have turkish friends that are male. I´ve even been invited to play some basketball - and I would say that is far from a womans idea of a date!

Reminds me of that old joke:  Man asks God why he made women so soft and beautiful…God replied, “So you would like them.”  When he then asked why he made them so simple-minded…God replied, “So they would like you.”

oh my lordyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy that is sooooooooooooo funny that is one I will always remember

Interesting thread.  It started as a question about men and turned into a defense of feminism.  Why is it that everytime someone makes a comment about men, whether it be good, bad, or humorous, women must defend their rights as equals?! 

 Nothing quite like a good banter on TC though eh?  

I love the famous exchange between Emre Altuğ and Mustafa Sanda. Mustafa Sandal (who frequently appears shirtless to show off his body) said of Emre, "If I had a body like that, I wouldn´t take my shirt off." Emre´s reply was, "If I had a voice like [Mustafa´s], I wouldn´t sing."

I tend to keep my shirt on myself these days.   

Well,it started out as a little dig at the in built confidence most Turkish men seem to have in their ability to sing and dance and the thread took a complete turn. Very interesting!

Actually, although Turkish men don´t seem to have any more ability than any other male nationalities (in thier singing and dancing) they do seem to know how to enjoy themselves!!

Hi,

Turkish men are usually not talented and they can´t dance well, they are not kind and helpful. They all show off to attract women at first then live a life like a peasant ( village guy) so be careful when you choose a guy from Turkey. It is all act

They are like animals.

They do everything to get womens attention, after they gain their heart...they just start acting like a miserable man...live for their friends...but when they up set them...we are the first people to hear how special and unique we are....

there is only one way to keep a turkish man in line.....being a turkish woman !

I forgot to add..turkish male fantasies in my opinion :

* have a foreigner affair

* raki for free anytime, anywhere

*cigars for free anytime , anywhere

*no need to go to army