‘I denounce where the rapist is’

Deputy primary school director accused of sexually violating four student girls in Turkey is still on the run.

Gökçen Kuzu, a cousin of the deputy director Fahrettin Kuzu, wanted for raping four students at his school in Southeastern Siirt city, told Turkish daily Radikal where Kuzu is hiding. “He is hiding at my brothers’ house in Yalova.

The Turkish police could still not capture the fugitive for six months now. “The police has never asked any questions about him to us,” the cousin said. There is an arrest warrant for the fugitive Kuzu, who has been a teacher for 30 years since the events was brought up to light.

The name Fahrettin Kuzu came up first, when 14-year-old rape victim H.T. told what she has been through to her guidance counselor psychologist at school. According to testimonies by H.T. tens of men were claimed to have raped four student girls. Among the accused rapists there were market owners, grocery salesman and two civil servants. Even a 70-year-old clothier Nedim Helvacıoğlu was among the rapists.

source: here

I am torn between revulsion at the article and horror that your racism drives you to keep on posting negative news stories about Kurds 

You should thank me for enlightening you about Turkey.

When there is a smoke, there must be a fire there.

Yes you are right - you have taught me a LOT about Turkish attitudes 

Forget about any visits to Turkia...you wont like it here ! 

Besides, our Kurdish rapist is still at large..

It doesn´t matter if he´s Kurdish, Turkish or Marsian - he should be severely punished for what he did. They all should.

Correct...But this one happens to be Kurdish....

he also happens to be male. What does that tell you about all the men?

No DD you got it wrong! 

All rapists are Kurdish!  All murderers too.  If we simply avoid Turkey (especially the wicked east) we will never be raped or murdered.  Everywhere else in the world is safe! 

Ohhhhhhh I see now. Thank you for explaining it to me. I´m so lucky not to know any Kurds. Phew, what a relief!

Certainly.  Here:-

Good morning bayan muamma, how are you doing today?

Wise decision si++.  

Hahaha you changed your mind?  I had already made the appointment to get my head checked

hum! if we go by your logic then there is alot of Kurds living here in Canada and the USA also.  In that case you better stay away from Canda and the USA, you might get raped or killed by a Kurd also!

What you have just said is called racial profilling and it is not acceptable.  It is not because a man rapes a woman that he is Kurdish. 

Stumpy I suggest you google "irony".  Perhaps you may realise that my post is not MY belief but is a comment on the tirade of anti-Kurdish posts that are posted here.  Please try to understand sarcasm and irony before posting such accusations and read the entire thread before passing your ignorant judgements on others.  Thank you.

"irony - Verbal and situational irony are often used for emphasis in the assertion of a truth. The ironic form of simile, used in sarcasm, and some forms of litotes emphasize one´s meaning by the deliberate use of language which states the opposite of the truth — or drastically and obviously understates a factual connection."

alameda is going to LOVE this post!!    

!!! The links arrived automatically when I copied and pasted from the online dictionary!

Did I accuse you of something?  I said "What you have just said is called racial profilling and it is not acceptable." even if what you said was meant to be ironical and sarcastic, you are the one who accusesd me having ignorant judgments.  I am intitled to my opinions and to say when I do not agree with what is written even if it was a so called sarcastic remark.

Men rape women not Kurds, sheesh if we take all the comments made against Kurds in this site you would think that they are the scurge of the earth and that they are to blame for all of mankinds evil.

TheAnigma, take all the shots you want at me, by your standards I am just a dumb ignorant western woman so go ehead make all the personal accusations and insults you want...

Maybe you are the one that cannot see that I was nt accusing you but the words you had written.

You think that if your words are commented on it is you personaly that is attacked.  Think that way and stop taking what is posted on this thread and bringing it into other threads 

Taken from the Women cannot marry men they want:

Well maybe you should read the entire thread again, plus my posts to you, and try to understand that we are actually of the same opinion on this matter and that there was no "racial profiling" at all!

I posted this Stumpy to show you how it feels when you say something in sarcasm, and someone is too dumb to realise it and thinks you speak the truth.  Didn´t like it?  Ditto

get off of it TheAnigma, we may be of the same opinion but I did not agree whit what you wrote even if it was meant to be ironic, for god sakes people are intitle to their opinions and please do not send me a private message like you just did I do not appreciate it, if you have something to say to me say it publicly, I have nothing to hide

I sent you a private message because that is the rules regarding such personal disputes  Your opinion is invalid when you fail to understand the post.

I could also say I am offended that you insulted women to Alpha - luckily I am not dumb enough to think you meant it

Are you really "western"?  And English speaking? :S

since I have nothing to hide here is the private message TheAnigma sent me:

	TheAenigma	10 Oct 2010 Sun 09:19 am
I wish we could report members for being utterly stupid, but unfortunately that is not a rule on TC.  Perhaps you should read my post in response to your accusation of my racism.   Seriously - I am amazed at your uneducated ignorance.

What you sent me privatly is down right a personal attack.

I may be an uneducated ignorant in your eyes so be it and thank you for the private messages, greatly appreciated my dear!

Quoting stumpy

since I have nothing to hide here is the private message TheAnigma sent me:

	TheAenigma	10 Oct 2010 Sun 09:19 am
I wish we could report members for being utterly stupid, but unfortunately that is not a rule on TC.  Perhaps you should read my post in response to your accusation of my racism.   Seriously - I am amazed at your uneducated ignorance.

What you sent me privatly is down right a personal attack.

I may be an uneducated ignorant in your eyes so be it and thank you for the private messages, greatly appreciated my dear!

 

Its great  I am glad you posted it!

Am interested to know if you ARE English speaking...mainly because your English is so bad - far worse than our non-native English speakers here.

Anyway, suggest you check out Alpha´s last post on this thread...

PS Note to moderators - CAN we report members for being utterly stupid? 

This is more than provocation, this is an insult on Alameda,  and all this due to weak moderation, and many wonderful people left this site except flamers and idiots.

Stumpy has no reply to this - she thinks it´s ok? 

I only have one last reply to give:

Until the day you as a woman knows what it is to be raped by a man I suggest you think before saying things to another woman.  When I was raped I did not see what ethnic group the man was from, he was a man who took something from me that did not belong to him.

God forbid you ever get raped TheAnigmabut if you do, I hope to god that you will recover from that agression.  A 15 year old girl does not need to suffer that way, to be humiliated and destroyed in that way.  To be used for an act of selfgratification by a man who´s action is so cruel it cannot be discribed.  I was lucky that I was not killed by that man.  The authorities never caught the man in question and he has raped others too.

So say what you want about me I have indured more than you think and it is not your words that will hurt me the most.

Oh and FYI I am French and I don´t give a flying leap if I do not speak English as well as your non-native english

(1) How do you know that I have not been raped? (For your information, I haven´t).  

(2) I am sorry you suffered that. I have friends who have also been through similar horrible experiences and know that it will remain with you for life. Anyone who knows me on this site is aware that I strongly object to crimes against women, rape, discrimination and the patriarchal society that we live in. 

(3) As I said, I feel very sorry that this horrible crime happened to you.  I do not think it is the right place to use it as a justification for your views though. The fact that you mention that you didn´t know the ethnicity of the man who raped you shows that you still don´t understand what I have said.  Sorry, it sounds harsh, but I don´t like emotional blackmail.  You made a mistake and you misunderstood my post.  Fact

it was not emotional blackmail but take it the way you want too and you can keep calling stupid and ignorant

Ooooooh....I know you really love me. I love you too...

Alameda and Lemon sittin´ in a tree ....

Yes, everyday! I have to admit.

In case you need to prove that Elisabeth has insulted you, let me know I will whisper a word to the whole team of complaint and lamentation. Together we are a power! 

Why do you want to make my job so difficult??  I would have to report myself for the occasional stupid comment!

Say the word (and send me money) and I will include you in the immunity clause! 

Are you duduing ME???

Ermmm  Well...my mother has this operation coming up....

Stumpy, I´m sorry for your ordeal, nobody should have to suffer such an ordeal, however, you are not the only person who has suffered sexual attack. Just because you were raped does not make you an expert on the issue. Rather, I would suspect it didn´t, due to your explosively emotional reaction to the matter. Still, my condolences to you in this matter. Hopefully the emotioal trauma will lessen in time.

We should not over look the fact it doesn´t only happen to women, it also happens to men by men or women and women by women.It is a hideous crime, one of dominence, not sexuality. In males it´s even more tragic, as the body too many times betrays the will of the victim. Bodies sort of act on auto pilot. Push this button, that happens....leaving deep feelings of guilt and shame.

Rape statistics  only a very small percentage are ever reported.

It is better to be aware that such things happen and not fall into a false sense of security. Instead, institute defensive actions. I suggest studying Aikido....or some martial art.

I know several forms of martial arts and self defense and also had training with several diffrent types of weapons.  And yes not only women are sexually assaulted.  for some people the subject of rape is a very sensitive subject and many people do not realise this.

With respect, I do not think there is anyone who does not consider it to be a sensitive subject. 

Removed some comments for personal attacks.

I´m sorry Stumpy about what happened to you.. I wish that women stuck together and fought patriarchy and male domination.. otherwise our suffering will not end.

The problem of this thread is that it was taking an East-Turkey turn again. The first case that I heard of, of rape in Turkey, was a case of 15 years ago which I heard about on the news. Since that time I am afraid to go in a taxi in Turkey by myself. Three Dutch and on Georgian women shared a taxi, but the taxi-driver took them somewhere else, where a group of men were waiting for them. The women were raiped, and strangled or their throats slit. The Georgian woman and one Dutch woman died. Her body was thrown off a cliff. The other two women were left for dead, but they were actually still alive. They could identify one of the rapists. This all happened in Alanya, not somewhere in the far far East, and all the men involved where Turkish, not Kurds. The issue here is not East-Turkey, or men versus women. The issue here are disgusting people. Horrible people, who ruin somebody, and damage something that can never be fixed. It´s not the body that suffers the most in these cases, its the mind. You destroy a bit of a person´s personality.

I am not an ethnocentric who thinks Turks are all good and all other nations are horrible. There are good ones and bad ones in all societies. However, It is true that mostly Kurdish people work in the seashores, especaially in Alanya.

Typical racist....How sad !

If you are not "Western" and can not "speak English", you are a cannibal. That you have  recently started using knives an forks during dinners can not be considered an advance step towards civilisation !

We all know what you have boiling in that pot !

Lemon, did it worth to to make Stumpy sad just because she understood some of your words wrong?

Also, what gives you the right to call Barba Mama as ignorant?

Indeed, the believers I know are clement people, not like you.

Nice try caveman - but I was quoting Stumpy when I used the word "western" because I thought it was a strange thing to say.  You defend the French here and then call them racists elsewhere?

Talking of pots, don´t try the racist line with me - it´s called "the pot calling the kettle black"....

I love the fact that Lemon gets blamed for all my posts

Will have to post a few more....

Interesting that my posts calling someone "dumb" were deleted, but this vile spewing of racist hatred is left intact? 

Gone now, sorry about the oversight.. (what a sad man.. )

More stupıd racıst artıcles by the handsome Kurd under "Essays" section, if you like them..

oeince,

They are called Turks anyway when something bad is done to westerners. Their ethnicity doesn´t matter.

You can not find a shred of racism in any of my posts.. On the contrary, the main theme is always ´anti-racism´..

But as far as your brotherly feelings towards Kurds is over, I am sure they would have given two hoots about your feelings if they had found a single logical reason to do so..

well if u avoid coming here because of such a reason I think u should

-accuse all Christian authorities of being child abusers

-elighten every single dark event wherever u r 

-turn your TV off because of wearing values out

-remember that journalists have turned into news procuders rather than reporters 

-get the first space ship as soon as possible

or

-build a warm hut in a never-found forest.

I m not trying to critize u for what u said.. I m just against the idea.

take care.