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1.       si++
3785 posts
 28 Dec 2010 Tue 09:13 am

‘Sopa’ ve ‘sıpa’ tarih oluyor

Türk Dil Kurumu, “Kaşık düşmanı”, “Eksik etek”, “Kadının sırtından sopayı, karnından sıpayı eksik etmeyeceksin”, “Devletin malı deniz, yemeyen domuz” gibi kadınları aşağılayan ve gençleri olumsuz etkileyen atasözü ile deyimleri sözlüklerden çıkardı

‘Sopa’ ve ‘sıpa’ tarih oluyor

Türk Dil Kurumu (TDK), 12 Eylül’de gerçekleştirilen referandumun ardından gerçekleşen anayasa değişikliğinde kadına ve çocuklara yönelik pozitif ayrımı sözlüklere yansıttı. 7 bilim adamından etkin bir çalışma grubu oluşturan ve 20 bine yakın deyim ve atasözünü bilimsel incelemeye tabii tutan Türk Dil Kurumu (TDK), argo, gelenek ve inançlara uymayan, bazı bölge ağızlarında kullanılan sözcükler, deyimler ve atasözlerini ayıkladı.
Çalışma grubunun sonuçlandırmakta olduğu ayıklamaya göre, kadınlara yönelik; “Kadın erkeğin şeytanıdır”, “Avrat var ev yapar, avrat var ev yıkar”, “Avradı eri saklar, peyniri deri”, “Ağustostan sonra ekilen darıdan, kocasından sonra kalkan karıdan hayır gelmez”, “Al atın iyisini yiyeceği bir yem, al avradın iyisini giyeceği bir don”, “Oğlan babadan öğrenir sofra dizmeyi, kız anadan öğrenir sokak gezmeyi”, “Avrat malı, kapı mandalı”, “Gül dalından odun, beslemeden kadın olmaz” gibi ayrımcı ve aşağılayıcı deyim ve atasözleri tarihe karışacak.

“Yeni sözlükte ‘Altta kalanın canı çıksın’, ‘Bana dokunmayan yılan bin yıl yaşasın’, ‘Kadının sırtından sopayı, karnından sıpayı eksik etmeyeceksin’ türünden sözlerle, ‘Eksik etek’, ‘Kaşık düşmanı’ gibi deyimlerin genç kuşaklara aktarılmasında bir yarar olmaması nedeniyle böyle bir karar alındı.”

 

Translation:

 

Recently some experts at TDK got together to remove some of the idioms with inappropriate meanings.

Here are some that will be removed from the dicitionary:

“Kadın erkeğin şeytanıdır”,

“Avrat var ev yapar, avrat var ev yıkar”,

“Avradı eri saklar, peyniri deri”,

“Ağustostan sonra ekilen darıdan, kocasından sonra kalkan karıdan hayır gelmez”,

“Al atın iyisini yiyeceği bir yem, al avradın iyisini giyeceği bir don”,

“Oğlan babadan öğrenir sofra dizmeyi, kız anadan öğrenir sokak gezmeyi”,

“Avrat malı, kapı mandalı”,

“Gül dalından odun, beslemeden kadın olmaz”,

 

The following sayings will also be removed from the dictionary:

‘Altta kalanın canı çıksın’,

‘Bana dokunmayan yılan bin yıl yaşasın’,

‘Kadının sırtından sopayı, karnından sıpayı eksik etmeyeceksin’ You should beat a woman all the time, and always keep her pregnant

‘Eksik etek’,

‘Kaşık düşmanı’

 

Source: here



Edited (12/28/2010) by si++

2.       zeytinne
596 posts
 28 Dec 2010 Tue 08:49 pm

Some more English lütfen please {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

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3.       si++
3785 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 11:45 am

 

Quoting zeytinne

Some more English lütfen please {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

I am not sure how to translate all of them in a good way.

 

How ´bout:

“Avrat var ev yapar, avrat var ev yıkar” Some women build house, some destroy

4.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 01:52 pm

Here are the worst ones:

 

“Kadın erkeğin şeytanıdır”,

Woman is the devil of man.


“Ağustostan sonra ekilen darıdan, kocasından sonra kalkan karıdan hayır gelmez”,

It doesnt come good  from the millet which was sowed after August and from the woman who wakes up after his husband.


“Oğlan babadan öğrenir sofra dizmeyi, kız anadan öğrenir sokak gezmeyi”,

Son learns from his father how to set a table, daughter learns form her mother how to loiter in street 




Edited (12/29/2010) by gokuyum
Edited (12/29/2010) by gokuyum

5.       deli
5904 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 02:16 pm

Charming

6.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 02:23 pm

Do you have sexist idioms like these?

7.       deli
5904 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 02:26 pm

yea loads of course cant think of any at the moment but Im sure someone will

8.       scalpel
1472 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 02:37 pm

 

Here goes my silly try

Ağustostan sonra ekilen darıdan, kocasından sonra kalkan karıdan hayır gelmez

Neither planting corn after Augy, nor a wife wakes up later than her hubby is good 


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9.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 02:43 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

Here goes my silly try

Ağustostan sonra ekilen darıdan, kocasından sonra kalkan karıdan hayır gelmez

Neither planting corn after Augy, nor a wife wakes up later than her hubby is good 


 

 Poetic like the original. I liked it. One of the characteristic of our idioms is being them poetic. Maybe you can find a poetic connection between "karı" and "darı" in English.This would be better.

10.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 02:58 pm

Kaşık düşmanı

Enemy of the spoon

 

Two interpretations:

1)She is the enemy of the spoon because she uses it non-stop.That means she eats a lot.

2)She is the enemy of the spoon because she hates using it. Maybe she prefers eating with a ladle. So that means she eats a lot too.

 

I guess second one is more logical.



Edited (12/29/2010) by gokuyum
Edited (12/29/2010) by gokuyum

11.       zeytinne
596 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 03:09 pm

I think this think Turks about their women .

12.       scalpel
1472 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 03:47 pm

"Kaşık düşmanı"

"spoon enemy" sounds a better translation to me.

I think nobody knows what are the origins of this curious expression but it is colloquialism for one´s wife.

13.       scalpel
1472 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 04:09 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 Poetic like the original. I liked it. One of the characteristic of our idioms is being them poetic. Maybe you can find a poetic connection between "karı" and "darı" in English.This would be better.

 

As I said it was a silly try but you liked. Thank you for liking it. But finding ´a poetic connection between "karı" and "darı" in English´ really goes too far beyond my knowledge..

 

14.       deli
5904 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 04:24 pm

or maybe enemy of the spoon means she is so lazy she dosent cookbit like me

15.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 06:01 pm

 

Quoting deli

or maybe enemy of the spoon means she is so lazy she dosent cookbit like me

 

 Yes it can be

16.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 29 Dec 2010 Wed 06:17 pm

I found an explanation:

In the old times after paying their debts men would feel like they were wealthy enough to have another wife. So their wives would break one of the two spoons at the home to make them remember that they are still poor.So men called their wives as spoon enemies.

17.       alameda
3499 posts
 30 Dec 2010 Thu 04:12 am

This is vulgar rude slang, right? Then I think the term "my old lady" is similar. It is sometimes shortened to "ol lady"

Quoting scalpel

 

"Kaşık düşmanı"

"spoon enemy" sounds a better translation to me.

I think nobody knows what are the origins of this curious expression but it is colloquialism for one´s wife.

 

 

 

18.       alameda
3499 posts
 30 Dec 2010 Thu 04:24 am

Why do you do these things in large red letters with no translation?

Please translate what you wrote.

Quoting si++

Recently some experts at TDK got together to remove some of the idioms with inappropriate meanings.

Here are some that will be removed from the dicitionary:

“Kadın erkeğin şeytanıdır”,   ????

“Avrat var ev yapar, avrat var ev yıkar”, ????

“Avradı eri saklar, peyniri deri”, ????

“Ağustostan sonra ekilen darıdan, kocasından sonra kalkan karıdan hayır gelmez”, ???

“Al atın iyisini yiyeceği bir yem, al avradın iyisini giyeceği bir don”, ????

“Oğlan babadan öğrenir sofra dizmeyi, kız anadan öğrenir sokak gezmeyi”, ????

“Avrat malı, kapı mandalı”, ????

“Gül dalından odun, beslemeden kadın olmaz”, ????

 

The following sayings will also be removed from the dictionary:????

‘Altta kalanın canı çıksın’, ????

‘Bana dokunmayan yılan bin yıl yaşasın’, ????

‘Kadının sırtından sopayı, karnından sıpayı eksik etmeyeceksin’ You should beat a woman all the time, and always keep her pregnant

Looking at that one I´m seeing red....that is disgusting!!! There is an English one similar. It´s, "Barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen"....but note...no mention of beating...

{#emotions_dlg.get_you}

‘Eksik etek’, ????

‘Kaşık düşmanı’ ????

 

 

 

 



Edited (12/30/2010) by alameda [add]

19.       si++
3785 posts
 30 Dec 2010 Thu 09:15 am

 

Quoting alameda

Why do you do these things in large red letters with no translation?

Please translate what you wrote.

 

 

 

If you follow the thread some of them have already been translated. That said, I am not sure how to translate the others well, so I attempted to translate one of them. You can imagine what the rest is all about. We are trying get rid of them anyway.

20.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 30 Dec 2010 Thu 03:52 pm

 

Quoting alameda

This is vulgar rude slang, right? Then I think the term "my old lady" is similar. It is sometimes shortened to "ol lady"

 

 

 The English one I really hate which is equivalent to this is "her indoors".

As if all women just stay at home ...

 

21.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 30 Dec 2010 Thu 03:54 pm

 

Quoting si++

‘Bana dokunmayan yılan bin yıl yaşasın’,

 

 

Let the snake that doesn´t bite me live for 1000 years.

 

MEans: if it doesn´t harm me, I won´t do anything about it, even if it causes you trouble.

Similar English: let sleeping dogs lie

22.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 30 Dec 2010 Thu 03:55 pm

 

Quoting si++

“Devletin malı deniz, yemeyen domuz”

 

 

The state has so many resources, he who doesn´t exploit it is stupid.

Literal: The state´s resources are as wide as the sea, he who doesn´t eat of it is a pig.

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