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1.       Taffy
10 posts
 17 Feb 2011 Thu 09:46 pm

How is konuşmak and konuş to have totally different meanings.

So if I add konuşuyor which word meaning am I looking at for past tense?

 

konuş

1. placing, arrangement.
2. geol. location.
3. mil. disposition, deployment.

konuşmak

1. to talk, speak.
2. to communicate.
3. to converse, chat, talk (with each other).
4. /ı or dan/ to discuss, talk about.
5. /la/ to be on friendly terms with; to be on speaking terms with.
6. colloq. (for something) to look sharp, be eye-catching.

2.       tunci
7149 posts
 17 Feb 2011 Thu 10:27 pm

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Quoting Taffy

How is konuşmak and konuş to have totally different meanings.

So if I add konuşuyor which word meaning am I looking at for past tense?

 

konuş

1. placing, arrangement.
2. geol. location.
3. mil. disposition, deployment.

konuşmak

1. to talk, speak.
2. to communicate.
3. to converse, chat, talk (with each other).
4. /ı or dan/ to discuss, talk about.
5. /la/ to be on friendly terms with; to be on speaking terms with.
6. colloq. (for something) to look sharp, be eye-catching.

 

 Taffy , I see you in a total confusion. To make things clear for you I will try to explain to you the differences.

        "Konuş" is the root of the verb "to talk "

        "Konuşmak" is the infinitive form of the verb. In order to make a verb infinitive, the suffix -mek,-mak is used. (Konuş +mak)

        "Konuşlanmak ": to deploy

        "Konuşlandırmak" : (mil)to position, to emplace.

        " Konuşlanmak and Konuşlandırmak " that are used as military terms ,have more or less same meaning.

           Therefore,forget about the word "konuş " as there is not such an object or noun called "konuş"

           Konuşuyorum is the simple present tense form of the verb "to talk" which means I am talking. Konuş(root of the verb) +uyor(suffix for present tense) +um(suffix for person "I" )

        

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3.       Taffy
10 posts
 17 Feb 2011 Thu 10:49 pm

Thank you very much.

Teşekkürler

 

4.       tunci
7149 posts
 17 Feb 2011 Thu 11:32 pm

 

Quoting Taffy

Thank you very much.

Teşekkürler

 

 

 You are welcome.

 Birşey değil.

5.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 02:35 pm

 

Quoting tunci

        "Konuşlanmak ": to deploy

 

        "Konuşlandırmak" : (mil)to position, to emplace.

        " Konuşlanmak and Konuşlandırmak " that are used as military terms ,have more or less same meaning.

           Therefore,forget about the word "konuş " as there is not such an object or noun called "konuş"

 

I think there is such word as "konuş".

Kon-mak is a verb, so I can create a noun ("kon-uş") from it using -iş suffix,

similar to "in-iş" from "in-mek" and "bin-iş" from "bin-mek",etc.

 

That said how would you able to create the new verbs "konuş-lanmak" and "konuş-landırmak" if there were no word as "konuş"?

6.       tunci
7149 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 02:52 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

I think there is such word as "konuş".

Kon-mak is a verb, so I can create a noun ("kon-uş") from it using -iş suffix,

similar to "in-iş" from "in-mek" and "bin-iş" from "bin-mek",etc.

 

That said how would you able to create the new verbs "konuş-lanmak" and "konuş-landırmak" if there were no word as "konuş"?

 

 I think here we are talking about pure nouns. As you say those words are derived from verbs acting like noun by adding ış,iş,uş,üş suffixes. You can"t use those words on their own where as you can use real nouns on their own.

what i mean is you have to use them in the context .if you say just "konuş" ten out of ten turkish people will think it is "speak,talk" not landing..

we call those sort of formed noun-like words as " Ad eylem" (noun like verb )

 

7.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 03:06 pm









konuşlan[mak [YTü] TDK 1998 (askeri birlik) yerleştirilme  *konuş konma, yerleşme +lAn- kon- +Iş-  

8.       tunci
7149 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 03:17 pm

 

Quoting si++

konuşlan[mak [YTü] TDK 1998 (askeri birlik) yerleştirilme  *konuş konma, yerleşme +lAn- kon- +Iş-  

 

 Yes ..that verb (konuşlanmak) comes from "konus,konma (ad eylemleri (verb-like nouns)) so ? turkish is very productive language ..you can create hundreds of verb-like nouns not real noun.

9.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 03:29 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

 Yes ..that verb (konuşlanmak) comes from "konus,konma (ad eylemleri (verb-like nouns)) so ? turkish is very productive language ..you can create hundreds of verb-like nouns not real noun.

 

So it is included in TDK dictionary. So there is such a word.

10.       tunci
7149 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 03:34 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

So it is included in TDK dictionary. So there is such a word.

 

 if  you read my previous post you will get the subject we are discussing here..I said :

 Therefore,forget about the word "konuş " as there is not such an object or noun called "konuş"

 "Noun or object " I didn"t say "word" as u put it.

11.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 03:41 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

 if  you read my previous post you will get the subject we are discussing here..I said :

 Therefore,forget about the word "konuş " as there is not such an object or noun called "konuş"

 "Noun or object " I didn"t say "word" as u put it.

 

Yes I have read it and that was what I have quoted above.

And by way noun is a word just like a verb or and adjective is. Words are the blocks from which sentences are made.

 

12.       tunci
7149 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 03:48 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Yes I have read it and that was what I have quoted above.

And by way noun is a word just like a verb or and adjective is. Words are the blocks from which sentences are made.

 

 

" Word is a general term but noun is specific"

 Word : (Linguistics) one of the units of speech or writing that native speakers of a language usually regard as the smallest isolable meaningful element of the language, although linguists would analyse these further into morphemes.

 

13.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 03:59 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

" Word is a general term but noun is specific"

 Word : (Linguistics) one of the units of speech or writing that native speakers of a language usually regard as the smallest isolable meaningful element of the language, although linguists would analyse these further into morphemes.

 

 

Dictionary items are called words. They may be nouns, adjectives, verbs, etc. So when I say there is such word in dictionary, it implies that I point out to a noun.

 

14.       tunci
7149 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 04:05 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Dictionary items are called words. They may be nouns, adjectives, verbs, etc. So when I say there is such word in dictionary, it implies that I point out to a noun.

 

 I know what word means Si.. thats not our point. You still say noun..if u believe in that way then keep believing it.

 we call men and women as human right ? Is man and woman same thing ?



Edited (2/18/2011) by tunci

15.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 04:10 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 I know what word means Si.. thats not our point. You still say noun..if u believe in that way then keep believing it.

 

 

My point is I reasoned there should be a noun like "konuş" from kon-mak without checking any dictionary. I have later checked that and  in fact there is such a word (noun if you prefer) in dictionary just as I expected.

16.       tunci
7149 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 04:31 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

My point is I reasoned there should be a noun like "konuş" from kon-mak without checking any dictionary. I have later checked that and  in fact there is such a word (noun if you prefer) in dictionary just as I expected.

 

I will start losing my hair because of this discussion seems never ending..I last time want to tell you that "konus" is a "verb like noun" not pure noun like apple,table,wind,light,...etc

so if you send another post i will regrettedly resign from this discussion. thanks for the discussion.

 

17.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Feb 2011 Fri 04:40 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

I will start losing my hair because of this discussion seems never ending..I last time want to tell you that "konus" is a "verb like noun" not pure noun like apple,table,wind,light,...etc

so if you send another post i will regrettedly resign from this discussion. thanks for the discussion.

 

 

It is a noun (whether you put it before verb like or not). If it has a place in dictionary and other words derived from it (such as konuş-lanmak), it must be a noun (whether you quit or continue).

 

Edit:

The following has been quoted from here:

 

konuş     

a. 1. Konma işi. 2. ask. Bütün imkânlar göz önünde tutularak kara, hava ve deniz birliklerinin yerleştirilmesi biçimi. 3. coğ. Konum.

 Güncel Türkçe Sözlük  


konuş    

 

Savaş alanlarında birlikleri gereğince yönetip kullanma ve bu işi inceleyen bilim, tabiye.

 Türkiye Türkçesi Ağızları Sözlüğü  


konuş   İng. site

 

Bir kentin kurulmuş olduğu yerin taşıdığı ve kentin gelişmesine olumlu ya da olumsuz etkisi olan yerbetim koşullarının tümü. bk. konum.

 BSTS / Coğrafya Terimleri Sözlüğü 1980


konuş    

 

bk. konum.

 BSTS / Orta Öğretim Terimleri Kılavuzu 1963


Konuş    

 

Kütahya ili, Emet ilçesi, merkez bucağına bağlı bir yerleşim birimi.

  



Edited (2/19/2011) by si++ [Add konuş meanings from TDK dictionary]

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