Can´t we kill them with sleeping pills? So at least they won´t suffer.

According to Islamic rules, we cannot eat blood. So the blood of the animal cannot stay in, the blood must be spilled out. That is why the animal must be slaughtered from throat. But you may offer to use a shot to paralyze maybe. However, the animal´s conscious also should be on.

Don´t think this would meet the halal rules somehow.   As I said earlier the RSPCA say over 90% of halal beef in the UK comes from prestunned slaughter. In Britain this is deemed the most humane method. 

I thought this would make almeda smile

 http://youtu.be/hVrIyEu6h_E

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trying to embed a utube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVrIyEu6h_E

is this the link you are trying to post?

Love it, thanks!

Well, let me make it very simple. If I had to die, and I had to choose between somebody shooting a bullet in my brain or somebody slitting my throat, my choice would be VERY easy. I choose the bullet through the brain. The stunning method that is used in Dutch non-halal slaughter houses has the same effect as a bullet through the brain, since a metal pin is shot in the head.

Alternatives that were mentioned here before, combining halal and stunning seem good to me. And the fact that other animals are mistreated too is still a lame excuse for halal slaughter, if halal slaughter isn´t animal friendly. The only good excuse for halal slaughter is, that it doesn´t hurt the animal more than stunned slaughter. And, like I said MANY times before, halal slaughter is still allowed if it is proven that it doesn´t cause more stress. So, if people are so convinced that it doesn´t cause more stress, than why be outraged?

PS.... why is this thread under Turkey? I don´t see the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

his report quotes in particular the Ph.D work of Dr Pouillaude which concludes by: "religious slaughter would thus be a less stressing mode of slaughter. Conclusions of all the scientific experiments converge towards a firmly supported certainty: properly carried out, religious slaughter is the most humane way because it leads to less trauma to animals to be killed to be consumed for its meat".

http://www.shariahprogram.ca/eat-halal-foods/halal-slaughtering-controversy.shtml

THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS
A team at the University of Hanover in Germany examined these claims through the use of EEG and ECG records during slaughter. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all the animals used in the experiment and they were then allowed to recover for several weeks. Some of the animals were subsequently slaughtered the Halal way by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides together with the trachea and esophagus but leaving the spinal cord intact. The remainders were stunned before slaughter using a captive bolt pistol method as is customary in Western slaughterhouses. The EEG and ECG recordings allowed to monitor the condition of the brain and heart throughout.

THE HALAL METHOD
With the Halal method of slaughter, there was no change in the EEG graph for the first three seconds after the incision was made, indicating that the animal did not feel any pain from the cut. This is not surprising. Often, if we cut ourselves sharp instrument, we do not notice until some time later. The following three seconds characterized by a condition of deep sleep like unconsciousness brought about by the draining of large quantities of blood from the body. Thereafter the EEG recorded a zero reading, indicating no pain at all, yet at that time the heart was still beating and the body convulsing vigorously as a reflex reaction of the spinal cord. It is this phase which is most unpleasant to onlookers who are falsely convinced that the animal suffers whilst its brain does a no longer record any sensual messages.

THE WESTERN METHOD
Using the Western method, the animals were apparently unconscious after stunning, and this method of dispatch would appear to be much more peaceful for the onlooker. However, the EEG readings indicated severe pain immediately after stunning. Whereas in the first example, the seizes to feel pain due to the brain starvation of blood and oxygen - a brain death, to put it in laymen´s terms - the second example first causes a stoppage of the heart whilst the animal still feels pain. However, there are no unsightly convulsions which not only means that there is more blood retention in the meat, but also that this method lends itself much more conveniently to the efficiency demands of modern mass slaughter procedures. It is so much easier to dispatch an animal on to the conveyor belt, if it does not move.

APPEARANCES CAN DECEIVE
Not all is what it seems, then. Those who want to outlaw Islamic slaughter, arguing for a humane method of killing animals for food, are actually more concerned about the feelings of people than those of the animals on whose behalf they appear to speak, The stunning method makes mass butchery easier and looks more palatable for the consumer who can deceive himself that the animal did not feel any pain when he goes to buy his cleanly wrapped parcel of meat from the supermarket. Islamic slaughter, on the other hand, does not try to deny that meat consumption means that animals have to die, but is designed to ensure that their loss of life is achieved with a minimum amount of pain.

Excellent post Stumpy! You know, some really already have their minds made up. No amount of scientific material will convince them, so it seems. That shows real prejudice. 

I might point out the fact that bullets through the brain do not always mean death. Gabbriele Giffords comes to mind. 

I´ve cut myself with sharp blades numerous times, either while cooking, or doing some other task. The cut is hardly felt at the moment it´s happening, if the blade is sharp. 

I know alameda, they have their minds made up and I am willing to bet all that is important to me that those people have never butchered their own meat to eat it.

I had the main artery cut on my right wrist with a doctor´s scalpel, no anestisia no pain killers...  The only pain I felt was when the doctors put a garot on my wrist to stop the bleeding after the intervention.

The piston gun is only used to make the work of the slaugther house workers easier to handle the animal.  After being stunned the animal is then gored and hung to bleed, so it is more humaine for the workers and not the animals.

My reasonning is if you cannot butcher your meal yourself then do not tell others how to do the work and do not work in those types of environments.

People want to eat meat but then tie the hands of the ones who have to do the dirty work for them to enjoy their serloin steak.  We have been butchering animals in that fation since the advent of the blade.  I have shed a tear when I killed my first animal even now I still cannot butcher a rabbit and my brother who is 6 feet 2 and weighing 250lbs cannot butcher ducks but we have learned to respect the animals we are about to kill for our meals and not show them the blade that will slice it´s throat and WE ARE NOT MUSLIMS.  It is basic respect to the animal that will become our meal.