Laws are not made in that way. Laws are written and set up by specialists. It´s never a single minister or something who writes a law. But I guess you didn´t really look into that system, and basically have no clue what so ever it takes to write a law. Come on... you can disagree with the law, but don´t pretend like law makers are idiots because they have a different idea than you do.

and laws are changed. It was legal to own slaves and do whatever one wanted with them, it was illegal in many places to drink, now it isn´t. Who is empowered to make the laws? I think Nazi Germany had some laws too.........as did Italy and a few other places. 

Come on yourself barba_mama, law makers think that the general population are idiots and need to have rules and laws written up so that WE defensles souls do not "hurt" ourselves and others and that we need to be sheppered onto the "right path", they make laws apon laws that make no sense and do not see the long term affects of some of those laws and the negative impact that some of those laws will have.  Why don´t they make a law that it is illegal to stare at the sun because it can damadge the eyes while they´re at it??

I just think that there are more important things to think of then how a friggin animal is butchered.

And if you think I have no clue what it takes to write a law why don´t you so kindly enlighten me please!

The dutch parliment has their heads screwed on backwards

This is a country that allows drinking at age 16

prostition and human trafficking ( The Netherlands is listed by the UNODC as a top destination for victims of human trafficking)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_Netherlands

assisted suicides are legal

abortions up to 24 weeks gestation ( is that not cruel and inhuman to a fetus to not be given the right to live) regardless of the woman´s dislike or inconvience for a pregnacy who maybe should of considered better birth control

In the Netherlands, abortion performed by a certified clinic or hospital is effectually allowed at any point between conception and viability, subject to a five-day waiting period. After the first trimester, the procedure becomes stricter as two doctors must consent to treatment. In practice, abortions are performed until approximately 24 weeks into pregnancy, although this limit is the topic of ongoing discussion among physicians in the Netherlands, since, due to recent medical advancements, a fetus may sometimes considered viable prior to 24 weeks. 

BM  do you dutch really think all those ponies and horse´s are raised humanly/healthy for your consumption, more often than not they are the bottom of the barrel, broken old backyard horse´s, neglected sick animals, you basically eat what the USA and Mexico considers garbage and not fit for human comsumption.

Karma is a bitch....

getting back to basics this is a racist move on nederlands part to eraducate and control muslims by adjusting their  islamic laws and  beliefs.

from my research I find most dutch  are arrogant and argumentative regardless of proof they are wrong. For such a small flat and undescriptive country they are a bunch of whiners and complainers, like having a nation of green peace boaters on land. They never are really concerned about the logic or outcome of their cries they are  just satified with the fact they can voice their opinion and complain.

Actually, much of the horse meat is from wild horses "harvested" and sold to slaughter houses. So so so sad to see a beautiful wild horse treated in this way. Marilyn Monroe and Clark Gable´s last movie, The Misfits,  was about that. The Bureau of Land Management was allowing this. 

"The U.S. government has halted its sale of wild horses while it investigates two separate incidents of mustangs being resold for human consumption."

............and it still goes on....

In fact, the taste for horse meat has led to people who own horses to need extra protection to keep their own horses from being kidnapped and sold for slaughter....and the worst of it is....the most desirable horses for slaughter are the best horses....how do I know? I have cousins who raise and board horses. Horse rustling is still common and still going on. 

Hey, I love Greenpeace...... 

actually you are wrong about wild horses, wild horses are shot not captured for horse meat

  check out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/starving-horses-used-dutch-snacks

a video of the condition of horses used for slaughter for dutch snacks

WARNING THIS VIDEO WILL MAKE YOU CRY

http://vimeo.com/10630091

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/starving-horses-used-dutch-snacks

In 2005, the 5 biggest horse meat-consuming countries were China (421,000 tonnes), Mexico, Russia, Italy, and Kazakhstan (54,000 tonnes).^[26]

As horses are relatively poor converters of grass and grain to meat compared to cattle,^[5] they are not usually bred or raised specifically for their meat. Instead, horses are slaughtered when their monetary value as riding or work animals is low, but their owners can still make money selling them for horse meat, as for example in the routine export of the southern English ponies from the New Forest, Exmoor, and Dartmoor.^[27][28] British law requires the use of "equine passports" even for semi-wild horses to enable traceability (also known as "provenance"), so most slaughtering is done in the UK before the meat is exported,^[28] meaning that the animals travel "on the hook, not on the hoof" (as carcasses rather than live). Ex-racehorses, riding horses, and other horses sold at auction may also enter the food chain; sometimes these animals have been stolen or purchased under false pretenses.^[29] Even famous horses may end up in the slaughterhouse; the 1986 Kentucky Derby winner and 1987 Eclipse Award for Horse of the Year winner, Ferdinand, is believed to have been slaughtered in Japan, probably for pet food.^[30]

There is a misconception that horses are slaughtered for pet food, however. In many countries, like the United States, horse meat was outlawed in pet food in the 1970s. American horse meat is considered a delicacy in Europe and Japan, and its cost is in line with veal,^[31] so it would be prohibitively expensive in many countries for pet food.

The British newspaper The Daily Mail reports that every year, 100,000 live horses are transported into and around the European Union for human consumption, mainly to Italy but also to France and Belgium.^[32]

Meat from horses that veterinarians have put down with a lethal injection is not consumed, as the toxin remains in the meat; the carcasses of such animals are cremated (all other means of disposal are problematic, due to the toxin).

I am NOT wrong about it....I live in the American West....have family who raise horses in the American West....and family members who are in Forrestry Service....I know. Some are captured for human consumption, some are not. 

Riight, so horses are beautiful animals that do not deserve to be consumed by people, while cows are repulsive and thus it´s morally justified to slaughter them?

People eat meat. Deal with it. What kind of meat they eat is based on the culture they grew up in. Some eat pigs, some dogs, other snails, frogs or locust. It´s pointless to comment on personal preferences, just as it´s pointless to refer to one´s meat as garbage. I´m sure horses are not the only animals that suffer terrible conditions of breeding. Basically the only kinds of meat I eat is chicken and pork, not because of ideology but rather because of personal taste. I wish I were a more sensitive person and researched the conditions in which they live and die. I have thought about it but then decided to trust the providers, which 99% of the time are big shopping chains.

I also don´t get what laws defining personal freedom have to do with laws protecting animals. It is debatable which method of killing is more humane, however, until an animal survived both methods and lived to tell us about it, it´s pointless to speculate. Prostitution is a matter of choice, so is the decision to have a child (although I am against abortion after the 1st trimester). It´s quite difficult to expect the animals to express their preferrence concerning their choice of death. As for drugs, I don´t think they´re legal in the Nerherlands, isn´t it just for marijuana and even that with certain restrictions?

As for the need of law, I think it´s obvious. Stumpy must have met better people than I have, as without law most people I know would go mental hurting both themselves and their surrounding.

I have no idea if the law is anti-Muslim or anti-Jewish, I read it as the law to ensure animals are not treated with cruelty (whether or not this really is the case with stunning). Is banning polygamy in Europe anti-Muslim too?

The debate was not about what animals, but how the animals were slaughtered. Obviously some, imported and eaten in Europe were not slaughtered in a humane manner, thus all the crocidile tears about humane slaughter methods is a bunch of bull. Maybe you should actually do some research as to what the conditions the animals you eat are raised and slaughtered in. I did and have changed the way I do things. 

There is a movement here to raise chickens, turkeys, ducks,rabbits and goats in people´s backyards. I only buy my birds & eggs from people whose chickens I see actually running around scratchng the ground for bugs, riding the backs of goats and folicking in hammocks. I can´t help but feel these eggs are more healthy than the ones in cramped battery cages with their beaks cut.

Here see European Factory farm chickens

Below is where I get my eggs and chickens from now. I pay more, but it´s healthy and I eat less. 

Acute - I´m ok with 1st trimester abortion as it is about that time embryo becomes fetus. Apparently it is somewhere near 8th weeks so I´d be ok with limiting the procedure up to that week as well. Why do I not consider abortion of embrio a murder? Because it is not a human being yet biologically, it´s just a bunch of cells with prospect to become one. However, unlike those whose beliefs make them think otherwise, I´d rather not impose my views on others. If you consider it a child, you won´t terminate pregnancy whether or not it is inconvenient for you. I don´t actually think I´d be able to terminate a pregnancy however inconvenient it was for me, but I do not consider myslef to be in position to make this decision for other women. After all, women are not incubators and their rights to decide about their body should be respected. Just like nobody can force you to donate your kidney to somebody who needs it, only because you´re a match, nobody should be able to tell a woman what to do with her uterus. But it´s not really about animals, so let me finish here.

About the providers - like I said, I was simply too lazy to do that so I conveniently assumed big food chains have big inspections. I may be wrong, though. I have no idea how humane farms are as the only time I´ve seen an animal slaughtered was when i was about 6 and on my grandparents´ farm. They did not have any big animals, just a few chickens and a tobacco fields, but their neighbours had sheep. One day they killed a ram and it wasn´t a nice sight, the poor animal was terrified when one man held him by the head and the other one slashed his throat. i couldn´t watch it. Even decapitated chickens running around beheaded did not make me as disgusted.

I´d never say Cloggies have their heads "screwed around", quite contrary, they are lovely, hard working people with laws that do not limit personal freedom as much as possible. Also, as for a tiny country reclaimed from the sea, they do pretty well.

Human trafficking is illegal in the Netherlands as far as I know. Is it bad for it to be illegal?

The comment about law was to Stumpy, not you. She said a few posts pack that we don´t need laws are people are not dim. I tend to think otherwise

Agreed about sex with minors.