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17 Dec 2007 Mon 06:44 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting thehandsom:
I absolutely disagree with ff.
Having a working democracy in a country is a process.
But saying that 'some nations need a strong hand' does not have bearings. |
then use your imagination and pretend theres no military control. |
Military has been the biggest obstacle as far as the political process in turkey is concerned.
We have a parliament, we have a government!!
What? Are you suggesting that simply, country A needs a strong hand, but country B does not?
Then, we should stop arguing and look for a strong hand for Turkey and others which are not developed enough to 'deserve' democracy!
I wont buy that. Sorry!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 07:43 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting thehandsom:
I absolutely disagree with ff.
Having a working democracy in a country is a process.
But saying that 'some nations need a strong hand' does not have bearings. |
then use your imagination and pretend theres no military control. |
Military has been the biggest obstacle as far as the political process in turkey is concerned.
We have a parliament, we have a government!!
What? Are you suggesting that simply, country A needs a strong hand, but country B does not?
Then, we should stop arguing and look for a strong hand for Turkey and others which are not developed enough to 'deserve' democracy!
I wont buy that. Sorry! |
sorry, canim, you ll have to buy. you have no other option.  i know i hurt your romantic feelings.
im just stating the facts. the naked truth
tell me if your country is ready to live in a free democratic state?
how can you expect any citizen to understand and embrace the democracy rules if he/she doesnt know that his/her basic human rights are abused? you live so long in the west and till this time havent noticed the mentality difference?
im sorry to tell you that turkey is not developed enough to organise a democratic country. it longs so, but it will fail again and again. why? because of our backward mentality.
to have the same democracy as in the west we have a long marsh of hardships and fights.
therefore as i stated before there must be a stron hand to push it ahead again!
like ataturk who just gave a great kick to turkey out of feudalism.
watch how your countrymen talk about politics and the history. they all speak like automised robots, the same slogans for years.
there must be a freedom of speech. the actual social education comes from mass media (which in turkey is not free). these are basic elements to build a democracy.
im sorry, there are no equal nations!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:38 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: sorry, canim, you ll have to buy. you have no other option. i know i hurt your romantic feelings. |
thehandsom now? Grrrrrrrrrrr I was busy fixing you up with Ciko! 
Make up your mind you fickle bigass!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:59 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: sorry, canim, you ll have to buy. you have no other option. i know i hurt your romantic feelings. |
thehandsom now? Grrrrrrrrrrr I was busy fixing you up with Ciko!
Make up your mind you fickle bigass! |
madame butterfly,
you are offtopic again!
this is the lat warning!
further offtopics will be deleted!
as for turks  what shall i do then?
i mean they are all so handsome (with big shiny noses)! i feel dizzy, i have loads of choice. luckily i got rid of sui fatass.
maybe i should try my luck with younger ones?
1980-1985?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:01 pm |
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1980-1985 was a vintage year 
Grrrrrrrr Femme! Of course I have to keep going off-topic! I have made myself a promise to NOT talk politics or religion this week - if I can't mess about then what is left for me? The poetry section? 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:14 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: 1980-1985 was a vintage year
Grrrrrrrr Femme! Of course I have to keep going off-topic! I have made myself a promise to NOT talk politics or religion this week - if I can't mess about then what is left for me? The poetry section? |
you are good at poetry
and this week is soooooooooo longgggggggggg!
break your promise pls!
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 12:34 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: I am still not buying it. I agree with you about the fight for democracy was long and hard in the west and Turkey got most of western democratic values with Ataturk without a long struggle.
My country men speaks of history and politics as if they are automatized robots but at some stages in our recent history peoples more freedom demands were always suppressed by the army and the main stream ideas are all results of the army being in politics.
I am still a romantic and I believe my country deserves better and we can built it. Democracy and its values are still under construction in Turkey. The reason it is still under construction is "the strong hands". |
I agree with you TheHairiest, but I'm also skeptical because of the influence of Islamists. The army is there to ensure that they won't take over the government and I'm not so sure that Turkish public is democratized enough to fight that off by themselves.
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 12:50 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: I am still not buying it. I agree with you about the fight for democracy was long and hard in the west and Turkey got most of western democratic values with Ataturk without a long struggle.
My country men speaks of history and politics as if they are automatized robots but at some stages in our recent history peoples more freedom demands were always suppressed by the army and the main stream ideas are all results of the army being in politics.
I am still a romantic and I believe my country deserves better and we can built it. Democracy and its values are still under construction in Turkey. The reason it is still under construction is "the strong hands". |
I agree with you TheHairiest, but I'm also skeptical because of the influence of Islamists. The army is there to ensure that they won't take over the government and I'm not so sure that Turkish public is democratized enough to fight that off by themselves. |
I am not that worried about the islamists to be honest. They are in the power because people did not have viable alternative. I never ever thought Turkey could be a second Iran.
But as long as the army is in politics we will never prove ourselves we are a democratic society. Or we will never learn if we are.
The army keeps delaying the entire process basically.
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 12:53 pm |
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Real democracy has never come to Turkey. can you ever say anything bad about Ataturk? Turkishness? State? you cant even criticise those concepts. Democracy is not only having right to vote. We cant say we have a proper democracy as long as 301 exists and as long as the army is stronger the governments. offffffffffff !!!!!
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 01:16 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Real democracy has never come to Turkey. can you ever say anything bad about Ataturk? Turkishness? State? you cant even criticise those concepts. Democracy is not only having right to vote. We cant say we have a proper democracy as long as 301 exists and as long as the army is stronger the governments. offffffffffff !!!!! |
Ciko, you are too smart for a dudu!!!! Such a waste of potential... 
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