Every one is looking for happiness. Every one is dreaming of it. And when we feel there is the slightest chance for it we are very talented to fool ourselves.

 Evet , you are right. As human beings we all after happiness, whether bitter one or sweet one. And when a person in love,that means that person gets blind and can not distinguish things  between the foolishness and wisdom.

shame on me? I have nothing to be ashamed of.

I am not a victim, I do not consider myself a victime because the only thing I got were bruises, the guy on the other hand was in a little bit more pain than I. 

I am not blaming all women but I am stating what I saw, the actions of SOME women were rather shamefull and lacked selfrespect.

I did not bring up my attack but Elisabeth so kindly mentionned it.  For your information the man in question tried to have his way with me while I was going to the wc and I was not in Turkey to screw my way through the tourist attractions but if that is what you want to think of mine that is fine. 

When you go to a bar or club and a man makes unwanted advances to you what do you do?  Smile?  When a man grabs my ass without my permission he gets the point very fast that his gesture is not wanted.

So think what you want but in every situation there are 2 sides to every situation and right now it is the waiters that are getting buried with the blame.  Yes some of them are looking for a free like like I mentionned multiple times and yes some of those women get taken for all they are worth but you have the flip side where you have "girls" that think it is ok to act like a common street walker and be crude and crass towards those men, which I have seen with my own eyes, my point was not to generalise everything but it seems that it is useless talk because since this is a site pertaining to Turkey then it is open season on them.

The problem with your argument "Stumpy" is that you have said previously that I should not generalise about Turkish resort staff, but you happily tar your own sex with the same brush. You now admit that your comments are based on "some women".

There ARE women who go to Turkey to meet men, yes!  Older women looking for fun are well aware that Turks will "sleep with anything" for a promise of a visa or money. But..there are also a lot of very young girls who are taken in by the declarations of love that these men freely give out to them.  You only have to read some of the messages on the translation forum to know yourself what goes on.  You can go on and on about how this is not unique to Turkey - and yes, you are right there are many third world countries where this goes on but they are usually countries that are expensive to get to and do not attract such large numbers of "package holiday" young girls who are so easily taken in.  I have yet to hear of any other similar practice going on in European resorts. 

Oh please don´t feel sorry for the poor Turks who you feel are so victimised by the slightest negative comment that goes on this site.  For every negative comment, there are many women like you who are happy to flatter them on every occasion and stroke their egos

read what you want into my posts seems it will only be more fuel for you, from the beginning of my posts I said there were some women and some men, I made a clear distinction and I did not say all women and all men so I did not generalise but hey looks like by what others post that all waiters in Turkey are "love rats"

Rather defensive aren´t you?  Would Elisabeth been able to "kindly" comment on your attack had you not previously discussed in this public forum?  No.

In this thread you stated, not once...but twice...that the women are to blame because they flaunt themselves at men.  Whether you painted a broad stroke or not does not matter...if you blame one woman for being a victim then I repeat...shame on you!

It does not matter what a woman does...if she stands naked on a corner it doesn´t give a man a right to touch her. 

If she sleeps with 30 waiters, it doesn´t give a single on of them the right to try to take advantage of her and take money from her.

Period.

 The blame goes to those who think they can do what they want or take what they want when it is not their place to do or to take.

you dont understand. in the eastern culture a woman will always be the one to blame.

And you are trying to judge through your own mentality.

In here if you say that this girl was raped, the whole shame will go to her and her family.

i never could understand why.

I disagree. This is some kind of a game that you are talking about. Who will protect you if you refuse?

Ask tunci, he´ll explain.. 

Well, I dont think he wants to talk to me. He considers my posts childish. So I am not worthy his precious time to waste on me. He is too clever to me.